Gun Advocates making it hard for responsible gun owners

[dwalker]

Additionally, seeing such posts helps me understand how gun tragedies happen.

Seeing posts like "lock your guns up in the safe" and properly secure all weapons, keep them away from kids AFFIRMS my understanding of how and why gun tragedies happen.
I have never been in a home without firearms, and the only accidental injury I have ever seen was when my brother shot himself in the hand being over-confident with my 9mm pistol. Honestly, I have seem more injuries from hunting knives and fish hooks, although admittedly gunshots are a bit louder.

If you hie your guns away in the safe and never teach your kids to be responsible human beings then please do not be surprised or outraged when they are not responsible human beings.

[AreWeFree]

Seeing posts like "lock your guns up in the safe" and properly secure all weapons, keep them away from kids AFFIRMS my understanding of how and why gun tragedies happen.
I have never been in a home without firearms, and the only accidental injury I have ever seen was when my brother shot himself in the hand being over-confident with my 9mm pistol. Honestly, I have seem more injuries from hunting knives and fish hooks, although admittedly gunshots are a bit louder.

If you hie your guns away in the safe and never teach your kids to be responsible human beings then please do not be surprised or outraged when they are not responsible human beings.

oh fwend, your posts are quite contradictory.

[dwalker]

oh fwend, your posts are quite contradictory.

Really ole buddy? Where have I said to lock your guns up? Or that I lock mine up?

[AreWeFree]

Really ole buddy? Where have I said to lock your guns up? Or that I lock mine up?

no pal, your brudda shottin his hand bceause yer irresponsible parents, i mean you're absolutely right, you're not a hypocrete.

[smak28]

Yes, there is a difference between reasonable gun owners and irresponsible gun owners. The problem is that the public sees us all the same. Uggghhh.....idiots!

[dwalker]

no pal, your brudda shottin his hand bceause yer irresponsible parents, i mean you're absolutely right, you're not a hypocrete.

Oh I see, you are ASSuming my brother shot himself in the hand when we were kids.
Actually my brother, who was 18 at the time, shot himself in the hand in his apartment while learning to clean and re-assemble my 9mm pistol. And to be fair, he had actually successfully re-assembled it, put the mag in, and did one of those super cool Steven Seagal (you remember him right? dude with the ponytail?) "press check" to make sure a round was chambered with his finger on the trigger, and when he let the slide forward... well, thats when the gun goes bang. Pretty much just sheer stupidity. Took a nice little half-moon out of the palm of his hand. He no longer does "tacticool" stuff.

So to recap, we all made it through (I have two brothers) without a single gun related issue beyond the odd BB gun war injury, and within a few months of being an "adult" my youngest brother screws it up lol.

But yeah, that was not a storage or secure problem or even a respect for he gun problem, it was a stupid know it all teenager problem.

[AreWeFree]

Oh I see, you are ASSuming my brother shot himself in the hand when we were kids.
Actually my brother, who was 18 at the time, shot himself in the hand in his apartment while learning to clean and re-assemble my 9mm pistol. And to be fair, he had actually successfully re-assembled it, put the mag in, and did one of those super cool Steven Seagal (you remember him right? dude with the ponytail?) "press check" to make sure a round was chambered with his finger on the trigger, and when he let the slide forward... well, thats when the gun goes bang. Pretty much just sheer stupidity. Took a nice little half-moon out of the palm of his hand. He no longer does "tacticool" stuff.

So to recap, we all made it through (I have two brothers) without a single gun related issue beyond the odd BB gun war injury, and within a few months of being an "adult" my youngest brother screws it up lol.

But yeah, that was not a storage or secure problem or even a respect for he gun problem, it was a stupid know it all teenager problem.

I'm glad to see honesty in your post. Sometimes STUPID things happen, and it's not an endemic problem as many alluded.

[The Gleam]

Who leaves a loaded pistol where a 4 year old can get it?!

Same kind of people that leave a 4 year old in a hot car with the windows up for any length of time. Or who leave a 4 year old unattended and alone near a pool without a fence. Or who leave easily accessible chemicals, poisons, or drugs within reach of a 4 year old.

And more.

[morfeeis]

It would be great if all gun owners would stand beside all other gun owners, but unfortunately we have some folks around that think thier feces is without odor.

Accidents happen, even to the most careful of folks. So I believe what happened in this instance was a careless slip up? Yeah, I do. My guess is she left her 1911 in condition 1 in a range bag in the back seat of the truck, not thinking the kid would pull it out and play with it. He did and so she lost a pound of flesh. Maybe a half pound... I dunno
What I do know is accidents happen, and the very first thing that happens is a bunch of holier than thou, "should done this or its stupid because of that" commentary follows, 90% of which is hogwash. Ever seen a guy shoot himself drawing a gun? I have. Just recently it happened at least twice in the "controlled environment" of a private range.
Didya see that guy get shot while teaching the little girl to shoot an Uzi on FA?
I watched my youngest brother shoot himself in the hand with a 9mm pistol (my pistol as it happens) while he was learning to clean and reassemble it. Winchester Silvertip went right through the meaty part of his hand.
Accidents happen, and of course they are ALL preventable IF you follow "the rules".

The problem with all the handwringing and "we need to evaluate these instances to prevent them in the future" bluster is (SHOCKER!) there are already ways all of these things can be prevented. Just like ALL automobile accidents can be prevented, and we know HOW they can be prevented. Can anyone here recommend a "new" solution that would have prevented this accident?
Maybe better education for the kid? After all it is obvious to me he had NOT been taught that guns are in fact dangerous and to NOT point one at anyone, ever, and to NEVER handle one without permission. SO nothing new about this..
How about the gun being locked away? Oh wait, we dont know that it was not actually secured in a range bag? And again, nothing new about this, and it very likely was "secured".
In fact, we do not know that the kid did not pull the pistol out of her range bag, find a loaded mag, insert it, and rack the slide in imitation of what he had seen Mom do hundreds of times. Again, there are already rules and methods of prevention, that were not adhered to in this case. Even if it were a law there is nothing it would have done to prevent this.
So the typical answer is to lock the firearm away then? Well thats a great idea, but a kid that can manipulate a trigger can also manipulate zippers and locks, and AGAIN, this is already common knowledge, nothing new about securing your firearms.

My point is we, as gun owners, should feel sympathy for this woman, getting shot sucks. So many IMMEDIATELY ASSume that the gun was unsecued, like in your head she just through it in the back seat, put the kid in his booster seat, and drove off.
One possibility that has not been mentioned that should be, is if she had the gun in a holster or tucked into the seat and it either fell out and the kid picked it up and it discharged, or the kid reached forward playing with Mommy and managed to trigger the gun in its holster, exactly what ounce of prevention would you think was overlooked?
I personally feel sorry for this lady, getting shot sucks (as I mentioned) and the fear that kid has now experienced is going to be a rough one to get over. And of course, immediately here on Calguns she is lambasted as an idiot..

Stick together, or be torn apart...

100% agree

But then again i am a bit extreme when it comes to firearms and rights...