What does SSE mean?

[DDM4556]

Josh, a temporary wood block was inserted in the mag well (held in place by screws that applied outward pressure to the walls of the mag well). It was later removed either by the store or by the new owner. A new barrel was used because to my knowledge (feel free to correct me if I've got it wrong) the overall length of the gun had to be increased to meet the SSE law requirements. Once the 10 day wait is finished and the transaction has ended, the block and barrel were removed and the gun was restored to factory configuration - which was legal to do under the gun's private ownership.

At the time some FFLs charged you for the SSE kits, while other stores kept the kits, re-used used them, and saved you the fee.

[CAL.BAR]

I would call the SSE a loop hole if it allows you to legally end up with exactly what the law intended to be illegal. The bullet button, however, would not be a loop hole since the resulting firearm ends up altered to fit the crippling intention of the law.

Actually, the BB COULD be defined as a "loophole" under your very own definition as CA clearly didn't want us to have ANY Ar/AK style weapons at all and the BB was a way of working around their definition of what a "removable magazine" is to allow us to get weapons they clearlly didn't want us to have. That is now being "cleaned up" this year.

[CSACANNONEER]

Actually, the BB COULD be defined as a "loophole" under your very own definition as CA clearly didn't want us to have ANY Ar/AK style weapons at all and the BB was a way of working around their definition of what a "removable magazine" is to allow us to get weapons they clearlly didn't want us to have. That is now being "cleaned up" this year.

No, the Bullet Button is not a "loophole". It is a way to work WITHIN the legal definition of the law, not "around" it. The law was clearly written to allow the use of a "tool" to remove a magazine without it being a "detachable magazine". Also, the ONLY "tool" that is actually identified in the law as a "tool", is a "bullet".

[HibikiR]

Josh, a temporary wood block was inserted in the mag well (held in place by screws that applied outward pressure to the walls of the mag well). It was later removed either by the store or by the new owner. A new barrel was used because to my knowledge (feel free to correct me if I've got it wrong) the overall length of the gun had to be increased to meet the SSE law requirements. Once the 10 day wait is finished and the transaction has ended, the block and barrel were removed and the gun was restored to factory configuration - which was legal to do under the gun's private ownership.

At the time some FFLs charged you for the SSE kits, while other stores kept the kits, re-used used them, and saved you the fee.

Barrel length had to be >6" and OAL had to be >10.5".

Also the "new" barrel could actually be a .25 barrel inserted into the actual barrel.

Old thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=383692

[butters82]

So if you buy a 44 magnum desert eagle and want to convert it to a 50ae it has to be a sse? Even if you already own it?


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[OCEquestrian]

This. By temporarily converting off-roster handguns to a single shot configuration (including blocking the mag well and swapping the barrel) FFLs could sell otherwise unattainable handguns. When you bought the gun you would just change it back to standard configuration.

That "loop hole" is now closed.

It was not a "loop hole". Those yahoos in Sacramento write the blue prints for how this stuff works. If the restrictions they are trying to accomplish are not complete, it's fair game.

I would call the SSE a loop hole if it allows you to legally end up with exactly what the law intended to be illegal. The bullet button, however, would not be a loop hole since the resulting firearm ends up altered to fit the crippling intention of the law.

Gentlemen, gentlemen...the democrats/gun grabbers use that term. The pro gun politically correct term is a "work around"...

[xMAC1x]

Gentlemen, gentlemen...the politically correct term is a "work around"...

[OCEquestrian]

I regret that I didn't get on the SSE bandwagon earlier. I managed to get 9 off roster handguns that way...should have been more...

[toiletfighter]

I regret that I didn't get on the SSE bandwagon earlier. I managed to get 9 off roster handguns that way...should have been more...

Agreed... my primary FFL did a lot of business during that time. He had a display cabinet of everything that was in high demand and and more. I got several I wanted, but should have bought a few more.

[IVC]

I would call the SSE a loop hole if it allows you to legally end up with exactly what the law intended to be illegal. The bullet button, however, would not be a loop hole since the resulting firearm ends up altered to fit the crippling intention of the law.

Those guns were not illegal and are still legal. You can still own them, sell them and buy them from private parties.

The intent of the law was virtue signaling AND killing the gun culture. If we go by the intent to decide what the loopholes are, we all have guns because of the "2A loophole."

[IVC]

So if you buy a 44 magnum desert eagle and want to convert it to a 50ae it has to be a sse? Even if you already own it?

No, SSE is only about transfer of a new gun. Doesn't apply to anything between private parties or to anything you already own.

[IVC]

There are still workarounds but for much smaller class of guns.

[foothillman]

If the Pistol started out as a SEMIAUTOMATIC than converting to single shot is a no go. Effective January 1, 2015
If the Pistol started out as a SINGLE SHOT than good to go as long as (b) specifications are used.

32100.
(a) Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5 (commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to a single-action revolver that has at least a five-cartridge capacity with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets any of the following specifications:

(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least seven and one-half inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least seven and one-half inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18 of the United States Code.

(b) Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5 (commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to a single-shot pistol with a. However, Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5 (commencing with Section 32000) shall apply to a semiautomatic pistol that has been temporarily or permanently altered so that it will not fire in a semiautomatic mode.

(Amended by Stats. 2014, Ch. 147, Sec. 1. (AB 1964) Effective January 1, 2015.)

[IVC]

No, the Bullet Button is not a "loophole". It is a way to work WITHIN the legal definition of the law, not "around" it. The law was clearly written to allow the use of a "tool" to remove a magazine without it being a "detachable magazine". Also, the ONLY "tool" that is actually identified in the law as a "tool", is a "bullet".

^^^ This.

The intent of the idiotic law was to define supposedly super naughty guns by trying to describe an appearance that is not acceptable in the polite society.

It's like trying to ban Rock n Roll by claiming that some combination of chords is responsible for rape culture, then complaining when the musicians use different chords, but the music sounds the same.

It's not a loophole, it reveals the idiocy of the law that is trying to legislate morality and naughtiness. That's also why the AWB is going to get stricken down.

[Sure Shot 45]

Thanks to the Democrat Mr. Jerry Brown there will be no more SSE's. Gun related crime has gone down significantly since the law went into effect. Off roster handguns are too dangerous for Californians.