Do you guys keep you rounds in your magazine?

[Merc1138]

I know calguns members like to regurgitate info rather then having actual knowledge of the issue . How ever IMO this is not up for debate . My SR 45 locked back every time after last round when new . It then started failing to do so with one mag then the other . At first not every time but over the next 7 or 8 months it got worse and worse to the point it almost never locked back . Yes I cleaned the mags and the gun to see if it would help , no it did not . The springs got weaker . Did they settle in and may not get any weaker . I don't know but at one point they were strong enough to push the slide lock up . 12 months later they were not .

You're right, it's not up for debate. Crappy springs(which can happen) does not mean all springs will wear out like the crappy springs you had. Your circumstance is an anecdote. You did not perform any testing or even comparison, and only have this one example of SR 45 magazine springs to even contribute to the discussion as "proof" of anything. That doesn't mean we think you're a liar, it means anyone who knows better realizes that your situation is irrelevant to whether or not someone without crap springs can keep their mags loaded. Anecdotes like yours are why this myth keeps popping up, even though people are obviously not replacing magazine springs every 200 rounds or 12 months. If your example were applicable, springs would be flying off the shelves(due to sales), this is clearly not the case.

Seriously, if this were the case you'd be replacing the springs on your vehicle constantly. Are you? No.

[Metal God]

Yes I am saying Ruger uses crappy springs in there SR series mags . As we all know a well made spring will not go bad if left loaded . I do believe Ruger knows this and is why they say don't keep them loaded .

I couldn't care less about spelling .

My point about calguns members just regergitating info is simple . You can tell by all the one sentence answers . There are only a few members here that actually answer the question then explain why there answer is correct . Just because you read something then repeat it does not make it true . I'd also bet I've either emailed or spoke with more manufacturers reps then all the posters in this thread combined . So although I don't have any real test showing the springs were bad . I at least gave my reasoning as to why I believe mine went bad . As well as sarcastically explained not all spring steel is manufactured the same . That's much more detail then most post here .

But hey let's say you guys are correct and so I understand you guys correctly . You're saying there has never been a spring that has gone bad in the history of springs ? Springs as a hole are manufactured the same with the same percentage of each ingredient. Then heated to the same temp creating the same hardness .

Furthermore you are saying no manufacture has ever knowingly used a lesser quality spring and there are no mags out there with inferior springs in them ? If you are not saying all that then what I said in my OP is correct . I never said mag springs as a whole go bad . I was clear that there are some bad ones out there and gave an example .

The OP did not specify what mags he was asking about . To me that means he is referring to all mags ever made . Metallurgy and the process of making mag springs has come a long way over the years . I believe a manufacturer that is looking to keep cost down will use a material that has shown to work but may not be the best for the application to save money . Remember my SR mag fed the gun just fine it just did not retain enough umph to push the follower up hard enough to engage the slide stop fully . So the mag worked just fine for its most important purpose .

[glockman19]

All mags loaded all the time.

^^^THIS^^^

[Merc1138]

Yes I am saying Ruger uses crappy springs in there SR series mags . As we all know a well made spring will not go bad if left loaded . I do believe Ruger knows this and is why they say don't keep them loaded .

I couldn't care less about spelling .

My point about calguns members just regergitating info is simple . You can tell by all the one sentence answers . There are only a few members here that actually answer the question then explain why there answer is correct . Just because you read something then repeat it does not make it true . I'd also bet I've either emailed or spoke with more manufacturers reps then all the posters in this thread combined . So although I don't have any real test showing the springs were bad . I at least gave my reasoning as to why I believe mine went bad . As well as sarcastically explained not all spring steel is manufactured the same . That's much more detail then most post here .

But hey let's say you guys are correct and so I understand you guys correctly . You're saying there has never been a spring that has gone bad in the history of springs ? Springs as a hole are manufactured the same with the same percentage of each ingredient. Then heated to the same temp creating the same hardness .

Furthermore you are saying no manufacture has ever knowingly used a lesser quality spring and there are no mags out there with inferior springs in them ? If you are not saying all that then what I said in my OP is correct . I never said mag springs as a whole go bad . I was clear that there are some bad ones out there and gave an example .

The OP did not specify what mags he was asking about . To me that means he is referring to all mags ever made . Metallurgy and the process of making mag springs has come a long way over the years . I believe a manufacturer that is looking to keep cost down will use a material that has shown to work but may not be the best for the application to save money . Remember my SR mag fed the gun just fine it just did not retain enough umph to push the follower up hard enough to engage the slide stop fully . So the mag worked just fine for its most important purpose .

People give 1 sentence answers, because they're sick of typing long winded answers that some users whine about having to read once it hits the 200 word mark(yeah, I don't know why people complain about having to read a couple of paragraphs on the forum), for the 50th time.

No one is saying springs can't simply be bad. In fact, I pointed out that it's possible your springs just happen to be crap. However, it doesn't change the fact that this is an insignificant number compared to the volume of magazine springs in use over the past few decades. Furthermore, if you do happen to have a crappy spring, babying it by keeping the magazine unloaded isn't actually doing you a damn bit of good since it's just going to crap out while you're using it anyway.

" You're saying there has never been a spring that has gone bad in the history of springs ?"

No one said anything of the sort, so quit pointlessly thinking in absolutes as if your particular incident applies to the rest of the world. Your situation with crap springs is not common, nor is it unique.

[Metal God]

Really you're going to tell me to stop with the absolutes and yet that's all this thread was . Absolutely no problem leave mags loaded . In fact that's all I really pointed out . Your guys absolute was incorrect . Unbelievable you say I'm the one using a absolute, wow

[tbc]

So for my own fyi what I gather from this thread: a mag that's loaded and used regularly will wear out faster than a loaded mag that stays loaded for years, your SHTF mag for example.



Am I on point?

Yes.


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[Merc1138]

Really you're going to tell me to stop with the absolutes and yet that's all this thread was . Absolutely no problem leave mags loaded . In fact that's all I really pointed out . Your guys absolute was incorrect . Unbelievable you say I'm the one using a absolute, wow

Dude, no one cares about your mag springs. The OP asked a question, and the answer given applies to >99% of magazine springs out there. As I clearly stated(let me guess, you didn't read this part? Or did you just ignore it because you're so desperate to be right due to your specific experience?):

Furthermore, if you do happen to have a crappy spring, babying it by keeping the magazine unloaded isn't actually doing you a damn bit of good since it's just going to crap out while you're using it anyway.

edit: LOL, I just noticed your sig. Maybe you should take your own advice?

[Ant45]

Yes.


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Thanks.

[Metal God]

Well there's this

Yes. Some of the elastic energy stored in the spring does work by moving lattice dislocations through the metal - this is the physical mechanism responsible for the plastic deformation of the metal spring - and is the reason the spring may be permanently deformed when unloaded, even when the grip position applied to the spring has remained fixed. Plastic deformation generates heat, which can be lost to the environment as the deformed spring cools.

If it seems difficult to understand how work is being done when the ends of the spring are fixed, remember that the stress field inside the spring is inhomogeneous. Where the local stress exceeds the yield stress there are plastic strains that correspond to real displacements within the metal lattice, which are doing work against the local stress field. You could use calipers to measure the diameter of the wire comprising the spring to demonstrate that the material has changed shape.

The behaviour of spring is the same as that of any other object. Any object when subjected to stresses tries to either resist or deform depending on the capacity of the object to do so. A rubber band when stretched deforms easily, but when released returns back to its original shape (same behaviour as a spring). When the stretching force is applied it deforms but at the same time, the energy is stored within the material and that energy is used to bring it back to its original shape. When that happens the object is said to be elastic. A plastic material, on the other hand, deforms permanently which means the energy is not stored, rather spent on rearranging the material's internal crystal structure. Such behaviour is also exhibited by metals. Lets consider steel here. Even steel behaves likes an elastic object when forces within a certain limit are applied. (Having said that all materials have that limit). It is called the yielding point. (or yielding strength, File:Stress Strain Ductile Material.png). When material is subjected to stress above its yield strength the material deforms (changes original shape) permanently or breaks, be it rubber or steel.

But there are other mechanisms in which a material can deform. One is through fatigue, in which repetitive stresses are applied to the object for a number of times after which it fails. Higher the number of cycles, lower the stress required to deform. (But then the stress has to be above a specific minimum value for fatigue failure to occur.) Aircraft wings and turbine blades are subjected to cyclic stresses continuously during flight, and there has been several disastrous failures because of fatigue failure.Another mechanism is Creep (deformation). This is perhaps what your father had in mind. A material, when subjected to a load (even below yield strength) for extended periods of time deforms under that load. Here, in this case, the spring left loaded for years could have deformed permanently and may not have launched the projectile, had the temperature in which your toy has been kept all these years were sufficiently high. But in your case neither the temperature or the compressive force was high enough to induce creep. One of the most recent and tragic examples of creep failure is the World Trade Center collapse.

[King of the 109ers]

Dooooo ya' put yer car up on jack stands every time ya' park it so the springs aren't compressed?

Leave them loaded, it's fine.

I've heard of putting cars "up on blocks" for long term storage. Maybe that was for the tires in the old days, or maybe just the auto version of the mag myth.

Or maybe just to make un-authorized use more of a project.

[Merc1138]

I've heard of putting cars "up on blocks" for long term storage. Maybe that was for the tires in the old days, or maybe just the auto version of the mag myth.

Or maybe just to make un-authorized use more of a project.

It would keep the tires from getting messed up even on a modern car, if you really had to do it for an extended period of time.

[depthcharge]

ive kept some loaded mags for over a year now. no issues here. are we going full geeksquad over loaded mags and springs?

[smak28]

I've kept mine loaded for 15 years and spring did wear out. However, it's just replacing the spring and it's it. Not a problem. Just make sure you test fire it periodically to make sure all rounds feed fine through the mags.

[Twiki357]

I only keep the 30 box and 50 round drum mags loaded.