GUN CONTROL IN ENGLAND

[MAC USMC]

On September 27, 2015 I had the pleasure of meeting a British citizen visiting in San Diego. We met at the The Gun Range and did some chatting and shooting. He loves the USA and has observed the gun control push here just as it occurred in England. He served in the British Army in the Middle East, but upon returning to England faced extreme restrictions on his access to and use of firearms.

He said no British citizen, even military firearm experts, can possess a firearm. All firearms are owned by kept at a certified gun club where only members have access. Conversely, crooks are all armed with weapons from European sources including full automatic guns. The danger to the English police is very extreme, he said. He feels the situation is absurd and out of control. His observations of the U. S. firearm trends parallel what happened in his country.

All of this raised the question in my mind:

WHY DO WASHINGTON POLITICIANS FEAR ARMED AMERICAN CITIZENS AND WHAT PLANS TO THEY WANT TO IMPLEMENT CONTRARY TO THE WISHES OF THE CITIZENRY?

[afteractionreport]

It's all about control...they want to control us...

Plus they're politicians majority don't give a crap about the people just themselves...

Don't expect any logical answer from a politician...they have none

[LowThudd]

It depends. Owning a shotgun only requires a permit. But, this requires LEO approval, including a home visit regularly to inspect the safe it will be kept in. Maybe he is referring to handguns and semi autos. Manual repeating rifles can also be owned by deer hunters, and similar permits are required.

But it is just not preventing crime. In fact there have been a number of hand gun and even grenade attacks in recent years on POLICE, and they are unarmed and unable to do anything. The whole thing is rediculous.

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Britts rememer 1776..

[hunterb]

We gave women the vote. They immediately outlawed alcohol. That worked out GREAT..... Women tend to hate liberty and freedom and are much more comfortable in totalitarian/authoritarian regimes. It's always "for the children."

Sometimes the truth is sexist....

[PolishMike]

We gave women the vote. They immediately outlawed alcohol. That worked out GREAT..... Women tend to hate liberty and freedom and are much more comfortable in totalitarian/authoritarian regimes. It's always "for the children."

Sometimes the truth is sexist....

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Sousuke]

I lived in the UK for awhile. My impression was that the system was classist. If you were wealthy and had rural land, a shotgun certificate was easy to get. But people who didn't own land could not get one.

[PyroFox79]

It depends. Owning a shotgun only requires a permit. But, this requires LEO approval, including a home visit regularly to inspect the safe it will be kept in. Maybe he is referring to handguns and semi autos. Manual repeating rifles can also be owned by deer hunters, and similar permits are required.

But it is just not preventing crime. In fact there have been a number of hand gun and even grenade attacks in recent years on POLICE, and they are unarmed and unable to do anything. The whole thing is rediculous.

Didnt a patrol car in london get a grenade tossed in like a couple of weeks ago?

[LowThudd]

Didnt a patrol car in london get a grenade tossed in like a couple of weeks ago?

Not sure. Here is a story about a grenade being thrown at Swedish police. https://polisen.se/Aktuellt/Nyheter/...-i-Storvreten/

There have been grenade attacks against police in UK in the past few years, but I haven't heard of one recently. This is getting serious, and if the Bobbies(and the people) in the UK and Europe don't start Arming them selves, they are going to be in deep doodoo.

Notice the story does not mention the suspects description. Seems odd.

Particularly serious attacks against police in Storvreten
When the attacks on police in Tumba Friday used a crisp loaded grenade. - There is a serious attack against life and health and to society and the judiciary, says Carolina Paasikivi, Police Area Manager in Stockholm South.

The technical investigation has established that it was a hand grenade thrown at the police bus, which sat four policemen. The grenade landed about one and a half meters from the minibus and the damage to the vehicle clearly shows how bad it could have been someone standing near the vehicle or if the vehicle does not have the extra perimeter it was equipped with.

- An attack against life and health is always a felony. In this case, it happened against the police which means an attack on the whole of society and the judiciary. It is also an attack against the citizens that we are set to protect, which qualify the crime as more serious and totally unacceptable, says Carolina Paasikivi, Police Area Manager in Stockholm South. We falters not in our social mission and the two things are completely safe - we do not back away and we will not stop until we're done with this case.

An extensive and intensive investigative work in progress.
- We are working on an investigation for attempted murder. We have no reason to suspect at this time but we will find those who did this. Sooner or later they will be identified and we will do all that they should be arrested and prosecuted, which has been our goal since minutes after the incident last week. Exactly how we carry ourselves to tell us until we are ready. They committed a serious crime and a gross mistake, says Palle Nilsson, commanding chief.

The damage and the consequences could have been far worse and there is nothing to suggest that it is more than a coincidence that no policeman was seriously injured or killed.

- We are also working with our own working environment. It is dangerous to be a police officer - we are to protect society and citizens against threats, risks, violence and other crimes but also we should have a good working environment and in this case it's mainly about ensuring methods and protective equipment, says Carolina Paasikivi.
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[wweigle]

I believe the Second Amendment to our constitution was included in our constitution just for the purpose of making sure we will never be subjected to the oppression the British were use to from their own government/crown. Modern Britain is a socialist county, like most European Country's. We have to fight the scourge of socialism as it is truly as dangerous as any other threat to our freedoms, certainly out firearms freedoms.

[smle-man]

I know Brits who own firearms of various types and keep them at home. Your range friend was not correct. Moderators (silencers) are very popular in the UK. You generally do need to belong to a gun club and participate in scheduled activities to keep a firearms license active.

[bountyhunter]

WHY DO WASHINGTON POLITICIANS FEAR ARMED AMERICAN CITIZENS

Because they occasionally take a gun and give them a direct referendum on their performance.......

The serious answer: because they value their lives and not ours. They think strict gun control reduces their chances of being shot and they don't care that it leaves all the other citizens as helpless victims to be slaughtered by criminals.

[sealocan]

isn't it possible the British person that OP met lives in a big city (like the equivalent to San Francisco) and access to firearms is even more restricted than most of England.?

[Jimi Jah]

There are probably more full auto illegal AK's in the UK than there are legal firearms.

Now that the Caliphate is invading the EU, about all they need is a good supply of AK's to follow them there.

[SWalt]

There are probably more full auto illegal AK's in the UK than there are legal firearms.

Now that the Caliphate is invading the EU, about all they need is a good supply of AK's to follow them there.

If I were ISIS I'd have stash houses around Europe just waiting for the man power to show up. Given their brutality, small villages that dot the country side would be easy pickings for 10 well trained men.