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  • TruEdge
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 1672

    PPT fiasco

    Ok so here's the story. Made a deal last night with a fellow calgunner for a handgun and agreed on meeting him today. Got to the gun shop and proceeded to start the process.
    I recently went to DMV to get a change of address and they gave me a brown card that they then stamped with the date and filled out my new info on. Talked to a friend of mine who had done the same thing who had also bought a pistol recently. The gun shop he went to took his change of address card along with the utility bill did the paperwork and he got his gun.
    Today when I tried to use mine at the first gun shop, with a matching address utility bill, i was told that that cannot be accepted and will not work. I told them how a friend of mine had used the same thing did his paperwork and got his pistol with no problems. I was then again told they could not help me. So since I was feeling bad for the guy I was doing the transfer with I told him i would go to a different shop 40min away that he preferred and do the transfer there. I called them before we left and the gal that answered the phone told me that was acceptable. Back in our vehicles and drove to the next shop.
    Arrived at the next shop and told them we were doing a PPT. Explained to the guy what I had and he said that wouldn't work. I then told him I called before we drove another 40min to his shop and was told it was ok to use my change of address card from DMV. They took copies of my address change card, my drivers license with old address, my utility bill that matched my address change card and even my hunting license with address that matched the card and utility bill. Long story short they ended up doing the paperwork but he told me I have to now email or bring him a DMV request form or DMV change of address application
    So what say you calguns? Am I in the wrong here or do these FFL's just not know what they are doing? This turned out to be a 2 hour fiasco for me and the seller who was luckily a very good guy and worked with me.
    The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)"
  • #2
    galaxius
    Member
    • Jul 2015
    • 428

    I didn't even bother reading past this sentence
    Today when I tried to use mine at the first gun shop, with a matching address utility bill, i was told that that cannot be accepted and will not work.
    The choice is pretty clear, use the LGS your friend went to, dont give your business to the LGS thats ignorant of the law, plain and simple.

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    • #3
      neomedic
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2006
      • 3276

      Most shops I know want an official printout from DMV with new address. So I don't know if the shops are wrong, but I always use a "H6" print out from DMV if I have a recent change of address and that ALWAYS works.

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      • #4
        mexicangunlover
        Member
        • Feb 2015
        • 264

        You don't need a printout and the dmv brown card is good to go. Some dealers are just anal.

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        • #5
          Bobby Ricigliano
          Mit Gott und Mauser
          CGN Contributor
          • Feb 2011
          • 17439

          My local FFL requires a retinal scan and a DNA mouth swab. Just to be sure.

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          • #6
            Zombie13
            Member
            • Feb 2012
            • 221

            Isn't the requirement 2 forms of proof? Not necessarily an I.D or DL.

            Car registration and utility bill should work.

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            • #7
              galaxius
              Member
              • Jul 2015
              • 428

              Originally posted by Bobby Ricigliano
              My local FFL requires a retinal scan and a DNA mouth swab. Just to be sure.
              No cavity search like my FFL? Man am I getting shafted...

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              • #8
                ChrisDM
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 679

                Mine takes my vehicle registration to prove current registration since I have the "brown card"

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                • #9
                  CaliDoc
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 593

                  Originally posted by galaxius
                  No cavity search like my FFL? Man am I getting shafted...
                  I see what you did there

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                  • #10
                    Mayor McRifle
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Dec 2013
                    • 7686

                    Originally posted by ChrisDM
                    Mine takes my vehicle registration to prove current registration since I have the "brown card"
                    I don't even have a brown card. I changed my address with the DMV online. I just let them make a copy of my driver's license with my old address, check "no" on the question that asks "Is the address on your driver's license correct?," and then let them make a copy of my car registration (an official DMV document, by the way) with my new address on it. I always bring my proof of insurance with my new address, since I keep it with my registration, but they always say they don't need it.

                    OP, which two gun shops were these?
                    Last edited by Mayor McRifle; 09-18-2015, 9:55 PM.
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                    • #11
                      TruEdge
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 1672

                      Originally posted by Mayor McRifle
                      I don't even have a brown card. I changed my address with the DMV online. I just let them make a copy of my driver's license with my old address, check "no" on the question that asks "Is the address on your driver's license correct?," and then let them make a copy of my car registration (an official DMV document, by the way) with my new address on it. I always bring my proof of insurance with my new address, since I keep it with my registration, but they always say they don't need it.

                      OP, which two gun shops were these?
                      First shop was the gun room in Elk Grove and 2nd was the gun range in Sacramento.

                      So what I'm gathering so far is that the brown card and utility bill with matching address should have been sufficient?
                      The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)"

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                      • #12
                        Saintwicked
                        Member
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 151

                        I've done PPT at four different gun stores and they all did it different.

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                        • #13
                          OnionRings
                          Junior Member
                          • Jun 2015
                          • 27

                          In my personal opinion?
                          I'd call ahead to the first store and tell them the whole situation, then ask a SECOND time and make absolute sure they can take it (as in "your manager says yes, right?")
                          If after that, they say no for one reason or other, I'd repeat that step with your second choice, detailing everything and taking as much time out of whichever manager they have on, because in the end, it's really YOU'RE time and money (gas/transportation) that's being wasted here if they balk in the end.

                          Ultimately, because it's california and the nature of our gun law climate, I'd put off the transaction in the first place until everything was in absolute order. Horrible, I know, but I have no car, therefore I am at the mercy of public transport and I HATE making trouble for other people who can easily just take their business elsewhere.

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                          • #14
                            Mayor McRifle
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Dec 2013
                            • 7686

                            Originally posted by TruEdge
                            First shop was the gun room in Elk Grove and 2nd was the gun range in Sacramento.

                            So what I'm gathering so far is that the brown card and utility bill with matching address should have been sufficient?
                            I did a PPT at the Gun Room in Elk Grove awhile back. I had no problems whatsoever with my paperwork. Maybe it was because I had a DMV-issued car registration instead of a utility bill.
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                            • #15
                              TruEdge
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 1672

                              Originally posted by Mayor McRifle
                              I did a PPT at the Gun Room in Elk Grove awhile back. I had no problems whatsoever with my paperwork. Maybe it was because I had a DMV-issued car registration instead of a utility bill.
                              But you had a brown card in conjunction with your car registration?
                              The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)"

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