Suppressors

[faris1984]

Sooner or later will move to Arizona . I talked to my family about it .My dad likes the idea .

[rromeo]

The last 4 months were long, but the last 4 days seem very long. My friend got his stamp back on Monday, and dropped his paperwork 3 days before mine.

[huntercf]

Having shot a number number of them, I can only hate the NFA that much more. They are generally just technically quiet enough to not need hearing protection but still pretty loud.

They're completely worthless for enhancing the "stealth" of a shooter in an urban area--as their opponents would claim the main reason for their ban. If you shot a suppressed AR inside your house, both neighbors on both sides of your house would know you shot a gun.

Their real practicality for Joe Civilian is hearing protection and they are very effective for that. If I lived in a free state, I'd own a few for sure.

You must have shot some leaky suppressors or did not have the right setup.

While a suppressed 556/223 will be loud due to the sonic boom, running subsonic ammo will keep it quiet enough to make it hard to notice. I don't use subsonic 556 ammo but suppressed subsonic 9mm out of a full auto AR sounds like a paintball gun.

A .22 pistol with a squirt of compressed air in the can is barely louder than the clicking sound of a ratchet wrench. My 9 year old loves shooting my SW MP22 pistol with a Spectre II on it as well as our full auto .22 AR's.

IF I shot any of my suppressed guns in my back yard none of my neighbors would know. Unless I invited them over to try, of course.

I have had the pleasure of shooting an AR with a suppressor and both of you are correct, except one small detail was left out.

Shooting normal .223 ammo with a suppressor still makes a large bang but drops enough decibals so your ears aren't damaged.

Shooting .22LR (conversion kit installed) still makes a noise.

Shooting .22LR subsonic sounds like a click (think dry firing)...HOWEVER, the rifle cannot cycle another round.

[audiophil2]

I have had the pleasure of shooting an AR with a suppressor and both of you are correct, except one small detail was left out.


Of these three details, which is the one small detail?

Shooting normal .223 ammo with a suppressor still makes a large bang but drops enough decibals so your ears aren't damaged.

Correct. That is why I inferred he had the wrong setup. Shooting supersonics out of a suppressor is not ideal. Shooting subsonic .223 takes away all the performance of the round so it is only good for target practice or up close work. OP failed because he only shot suppressed guns with supersonic ammo so he incorrectly assumed there is still very noticeable noise. Use the wrong equipment and there will be. It would be like installing a super quiet muffler on a car only to drag a bunch of empty cans behind it. The muffler keeps the engine quiet but the junk clanging on the ground will still let you know the car is moving around.

I would disagree about the lack of hearing damage. Supersonic rounds make sound right out the barrel. Those higher dBs are high enough to damage hearing, just not as much as unsuppressed guns. Hearing loss occurs due to high dBs or moderate dBs over time. Spend hours shooting suppressed supersonic and you will get hearing damage.

Shooting .22LR (conversion kit installed) still makes a noise.

Right. All semi auto guns will make noise due to the mechanical parts moving and a little bit of the explosion from the detonation of the primer. Like I already stated, it sounds more like a pellet or paintball gun.

Shooting .22LR subsonic sounds like a click (think dry firing)...HOWEVER, the rifle cannot cycle another round.

Wanna bet? My full auto AR15 has no problem cycling subsonic .22lr ammo. Maybe you are thinking of powderless .22lr. I have no problem running full auto federal, gemtech, cci, or remington subsonics in my machine guns.

[fritztkatt]

So can you build your own machinegun and do the paperwork? I've never understood that because the transferable ones are north of 10k easy.

I'd love to have a supressor, in a smaller flavor likely, so it's not too large for use on a HD pistol. Something to take the edge off. They really should be legal, I'd like to see gang-bangers try to Mexican carry their glock with a can on it... not going to happen. Only law abiding citizens would have them anyway.

[Metal Fiend]

A co-worker also went to the same match, Quiet Riot is what is was called.
He showed us the you tube video of it, looked pretty cool

I've recently shot a match in UT with a suppressor on my rifle. Didn't have to use earpro all weekend which was awesome.





Back to reality...

[Aloha]

I am going to be new to CA and have an NFA registered can. I thought I could not bring it.

I understand I can bring most of my guns, but can I also bring the can?

Also, off topic, but can an NFA registered SBR be imported to CA?

Mahalo!

[P5Ret]

I am going to be new to CA and have an NFA registered can. I thought I could not bring it.

I understand I can bring most of my guns, but can I also bring the can?

Also, off topic, but can an NFA registered SBR be imported to CA?

Mahalo!

Don't you have to submit a new application (or whatever they call it) due to a change of state of residence? Along with authorization to transport it interstate? Something you may find difficult to get being as Ca is involved.

[SDM44]

C'mon.... everybody knows that if suppressors were to be come readily available everywhere, that more shootings would occur because lots of people will become "assassins" and use them. I mean, haven't you seen the movies where the pew-pew is ultra quiet?




At least that's what I hear from the Brady group and most law makers out there

[Aloha]

Don't you have to submit a new application (or whatever they call it) due to a change of state of residence? Along with authorization to transport it interstate? Something you may find difficult to get being as Ca is involved.

I was planning on transferring it to a friend, as I assumed that I can not bring it. Just saw the thread about suppressors and it gave a glimmer of hope that I may be able to retain ownership.

[audiophil2]

So can you build your own machinegun and do the paperwork? I've never understood that because the transferable ones are north of 10k easy.

I'd love to have a supressor, in a smaller flavor likely, so it's not too large for use on a HD pistol. Something to take the edge off. They really should be legal, I'd like to see gang-bangers try to Mexican carry their glock with a can on it... not going to happen. Only law abiding citizens would have them anyway.

I can only build machine guns for demonstration and sales to law enforcement/mil. I can't just build them for fun otherwise I would have one of each.

Suppressors should be legalized. They are a safety device and other countries require the use of them or at least promote the use of them.

I regularly open carry my suppressed M&P when I am in the desert. The can easily fits through a cheap uncle mikes holster.

[fritztkatt]

Do you have to make X amount of money or pay yearly fees for the ffl to make autos? I suppose it's not legal to take them home or off site for "testing"? Do you have to actually sell them (rather, have a market before production?)?

I thought there were legal loopholes so you can have a MG made after '86.

How many criminals bother to carry in a holster?

[audiophil2]

Do you have to make X amount of money or pay yearly fees for the ffl to make autos? I suppose it's not legal to take them home or off site for "testing"? Do you have to actually sell them (rather, have a market before production?)?

I thought there were legal loopholes so you can have a MG made after '86.

How many criminals bother to carry in a holster?

I have to pay all kinds of fees to run my business. If I had under $500k in gross sales I would get discounted fees but that is usually only good the first year in business.

I list them for sale and have a few local LEA demo letters.

FFLs can have storage sites that are not the actual FFL premise address. Think of big gun dealers like Cabelas that have an FFL at the store but have a warehouse full of guns. GUns can be stored almost anywhere as long as the book keeping is done right and no transactions are done except at the premise address. I'm always out in the desert function testing my full autos.

There are no loopholes. It is the law. As an 07/02 manufacturer I can make machine guns.

All the machine guns you see in videos at Big Sandy and Knob Creek are all post 86 dealer samples. There might be a few full transferable guns there but those are all hidden in locked cases and watched closely. The posties can be abused since they are so easy to replace. I use my full auto 1919 postie as a counterweight when I am ripping 4x8 panels and I just toss my full auto ARs into my truck bed to cool off when I switch off guns.

[Noonanda]

It's a silencer guys! At least that's what the NFA calls em!

Silencer / suppressor / muffler

Actually Hiram Percy Maxims had many Patents for "Silencers/Silencing Devices" to include firearms and car exaust

[rromeo]

One manufacturer is called Silencerco, one larger dealer is called The Silencer Shop.
I usually call them cans