Tx Helicopter Hog Hunting

[AAShooter]

This thread reminds me of a recent hunting trip. We went to Argentina dove hunting. For those that don't know, the trip runs about $4 - 6k for a week of hunting, lodging, airfare, ammo, food, etc. The lodge we went to had my group and two others. One of the groups was a group from SF/Marin.

After hunting for a couple sessions, one of the hunters in the SF/Marin group determined that some of the dove were being harvested but most were left for scavengers. Some of the gun boys would take some home but were much more interested in pigeons that were taken during the day. Anyway, once the hunter realized that they were all gathered up and given to locals, he refused to go out hunting anymore. Only after a lot of long discussions from his hunting pals, they finally convinced him that this was a hunting/eradication exercise and he rejoined the hunting.

[AAShooter]

If you want to follow this rule, you can not use any guns because gun is definitely give hunter an improper advantage over such animal. Use a dagger instead so you must be in close encounter with the animal you hunt. Thus the animal will have the same chance as you. You either harvest it or be killed by it.

As previously discussed, it is pretty universally accepted that a firearm being used in big game hunting is not an "improper advantage" unless you are using it illegally.

Based on your argument, I am surprised you are willing to give the hunter a dagger.

[SB1964]

How about airplane hunting?

Any airplane's Operating Costs are a fraction of any Helos.

Much longer range, higher payload. Less of a "travel to destination", more of a "go to local airport, maybe one stop then hunt, back home late". Maybe a little warm up target practice en route. Also the traditional Aim The Plane strafing option (with co-pilot to prevent nosing in).

Give the prey a bit of a fighting chance since you gotta make passes, or circle at some distance like a C-47 Spooky gunship.

Uhhh, no! We're talking about bacon on the hoof! Pigs weren't around my area as a kid, they're everywhere now. They don't need a "chance" they've had plenty. I hope OP fills a truck bed & I don't care how he does it. Terms like "fair chase" are crap for an invasive species. Stack some swine & have fun doing so!!!

[FNP45TACTICAL]

What I consider them is inconsequential since no matter my thoughts on the subject, the state of CA considers them not safe enough to sell to non-privileged people in CA, which is a law we must abide by (loopholes withstanding even) if we are to obey the laws of our state.

So you agree with definitions set forth by this state when it bolsters your stance but are indifferent to them when it does not jive with your opinions?

[mike.h]

LOL @ Pork Chopper

I would pick them based on their awesome name!

beat me to it

[barrage]

As previously discussed, it is pretty universally accepted that a firearm being used in big game hunting is not an "improper advantage" unless you are using it illegally.

Based on your argument, I am surprised you are willing to give the hunter a dagger.

Got to compromise a little, I guess. I certainly wouldn't let hunters use daggers, since metallurgy is a trait unique to humans, therefore giving an unfair advantage.

As for big game hunting, how do you figure firearms aren't also an unfair advantage?

I bet these guys would disagree that using a rifle to hunt elephants with should be called "hunting" since it isn't very fair:

[AAShooter]

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As for big game hunting, how do you figure firearms aren't also an unfair advantage?

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Based on the fact that the states in our great nation have determined it is not an unfair advantage and built it into the hunting laws the various states follow and enforce.

[FNP45TACTICAL]

Based on the fact that the states in our great nation have determined it is not an unfair advantage and built it into the hunting laws the various states follow and enforce.

2nd time in this thread i find myself asking if you let the definitions laid out by the/a state dictate your opinions? laws and practices sure. but not opinions.

this state has determined that we need a high speed rail and also that they can afford it. do you now agree with that? etc etc. dont want to get into a political debate but this is an example of your logic at work.

[AAShooter]

2nd time in this thread i find myself asking if you let the definitions laid out by the/a state dictate your opinions? laws and practices sure. but not opinions.

this state has determined that we need a high speed rail and also that they can afford it. do you now agree with that? etc etc. dont want to get into a political debate but this is an example of your logic at work.

Typically moral and ethical standards are heavily influenced by societal norms. So, yes, the laws of this nation have some impact on my beliefs with respect moral and ethical standards. Do they fully align, no. I hope that clarifies things for you.

[gl0ckc0ma]

It might seem that hunting with a rifle is unfair to some, but what people fail to understand is that when your out there in the bush, you have to hike (sometimes mountains), stalk, make sure game is around, your in their element and they know where to hide, where to go if there is danger if your too loud or if they smell you, coyotes are one of the toughest to find as their sense of smell is incredible.

When you do get one in your sights, you need to make sure it's going to be a clean ethical kill. You can ask many big game hunters, how many times tags are paid for and not brought nothing home, answer will be more then actually bagging an animal. Shotguns can only have few rounds in them to give animals a chance to flee if missed. Making sure females dont have young as the young would die without mom.

Many different variables are at work, that is why hunters education is extensive and mandatory to even get a license to hunt.

As for a helicopter, shooting from the sky is way different then hunting, and to call it that is offensive, at least to me. I am not saying it isnt necessary to eradicate a pest species but it is in no way hunting.

[2761377]

Yes, my panties are wadded because of the term hunting being used to describe this. As I mentioned before, this is not hunting, it's shooting. Just like I don't go out to hunt ground squirrels, I shoot them. I don't have moral or ethical issues with it as I understand that pigs are a problem animal (especially in TX). I just believe that hunting is the wrong term for this as I feel this sort of shooting gives all hunters a black eye so far as the rest of the non-hunting world is concerned. To call this hunting allows non-hunting animal rights types to say that all hunters are blood thirsty killers wanting nothing more in life than to kill innocent animals.

So far as the Indians are concerned, yeah, that's not very sporting; but when it's subsistence a lot of things get a pass that wouldn't normally fly. We choose to hunt for whatever reasons, the Indians had no choice as they didn't have the technology available to grow enough crops to be vegetarians.

LOL- do you really think the typical non-hunter/animal rights person would differentiate between shooting hogs from a helo and shooting doves over an alfalfa field? whenever a human takes a wild creature's life he is a monster for murdering an "innocent" animal.

to the OP's question- I have no experience at this type of hunting, but it seems to me a good excuse to build a 6.8 SPC AR

[FNP45TACTICAL]

Typically moral and ethical standards are heavily influenced by societal norms. So, yes, the laws of this nation have some impact on my beliefs with respect moral and ethical standards. Do they fully align, no. I hope that clarifies things for you.

no. you change with the wind depending on what society will accept or consider norm? will you not hunt some game animals in season out of respect for other states that may be out of season?

[mif_slim]

Only people who never hunted would say to leave guns at home. They dont know the hours and energy put into a hunt. They think because you got a license, a gun in hand, the game will be drawn to you like fly on crap.

[NapalmCheese]

So you agree with definitions set forth by this state when it bolsters your stance but are indifferent to them when it does not jive with your opinions?

Non sequitur much? I never offered an opinion on my agreement or disagreement with either topic.

[AAShooter]

no. you change with the wind depending on what society will accept or consider norm? will you not hunt some game animals in season out of respect for other states that may be out of season?

I am not convinced that continuing to address your questions will prove to be fruitful. It would appear to me you are driving some agenda to some conclusion not clear to me. Perhaps you should just state the conclusion you are trying to achieve and we can be done.