Tx Helicopter Hog Hunting

[mikenewgun87]

I saw that on Youtube and would do it in a second. I hate pigs and would light them up on sight given the chance.

Reported for LEO bashing!!!

[Untamed1972]

Understood. For some, native or non-native is not significant when it comes to ethical hunting and fair chase.

In those parts they proliferate to quickly for "ethical hunting and fair chase" methods. And sometimes given things like terrain, and heavy brush cover and such they can be hard to get at with normal ground pounding.

If you had herds of wild hogs doing 1000s of dollars worth of damage to your property and crops every year, I'm sure your tune would change a little too.

If you had a pest problem in your house would you hunt down each one ethically and fair chased or do you just call the exterminator and tent the house and get it over with as quickly as possible?

[Dan_Eastvale]

In Australia they shoot as many as they can and just leave them to be eaten by scavengers. The sks is a favorite.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c2c_1389699543

[AAShooter]

In those parts they proliferate to quickly for "ethical hunting and fair chase" methods. And sometimes given things like terrain, and heavy brush cover and such they can be hard to get at with normal ground pounding.

If you had herds of wild hogs doing 1000s of dollars worth of damage to your property and crops every year, I'm sure your tune would change a little too.

If you had a pest problem in your house would you hunt down each one ethically and fair chased or do you just call the exterminator and tent the house and get it over with as quickly as possible?

As mentioned before, this is an eradication program. To me, this has a different ethical standard than that of traditional ethical big game hunting.

[Untamed1972]

As mentioned before, this is an eradication program. To me, this has a different ethical standard than that of traditional ethical big game hunting.

I agree.

So the "panty bunching" by others is merely over using the term "hunt" or "hunting"?

Although in recent times "hunting" may have a been adopted by some "high-brow, elitist" types who want to claim dominion over the word. I think in it's most basic original form, and can mean or include a lot of things.

In earlier times on this continent Indians used to chase buffalo off of a cliff. Real "sporting" of them aye?

[barrage]

You Liberal crybabies **** talking heli-hunting hogs and letting us know how morally superior you are than the rest of us should put your money where your mouth is and leave your guns at home next time you go hunting since a rifle or even a knife made of steel clearly gives you an unethical advantage.

Go pull a long branch off a tree and use some grass to lash on a piece of obsidian to use as a spear. And don't forget to go out barefoot since wearing boots would give you an advantage too, and we all know you wouldn't want that...

[NapalmCheese]

So the "panty bunching" by others is merely over using the term "hunt" or "hunting"?

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In earlier times on this continent Indians used to chase buffalo off of a cliff. Real "sporting" of them aye?

Yes, my panties are wadded because of the term hunting being used to describe this. As I mentioned before, this is not hunting, it's shooting. Just like I don't go out to hunt ground squirrels, I shoot them. I don't have moral or ethical issues with it as I understand that pigs are a problem animal (especially in TX). I just believe that hunting is the wrong term for this as I feel this sort of shooting gives all hunters a black eye so far as the rest of the non-hunting world is concerned. To call this hunting allows non-hunting animal rights types to say that all hunters are blood thirsty killers wanting nothing more in life than to kill innocent animals.

So far as the Indians are concerned, yeah, that's not very sporting; but when it's subsistence a lot of things get a pass that wouldn't normally fly. We choose to hunt for whatever reasons, the Indians had no choice as they didn't have the technology available to grow enough crops to be vegetarians.

[Ronin2]

Planning a heli hog hunt for end of this year or beginning of next year.
I think i will be using LR308.

Does anyone have experience with:
Cedar Aviation
Heli Hog hunter
Heli Hunter
Pork Choppers
Heli Bacon

Or other outfits that I have not listed. Some Supply 12ga, AR15 (223) or allow use of what you bring. I would prefer LR308 or Shotgun. I just dont care for the little 223 round against pigs.

Looking for past experiences/stories, recommendations, suggestions.

So how much does it cost to go on one of your heli-hunts?

[Untamed1972]

Yes, my panties are wadded because of the term hunting being used to describe this. As I mentioned before, this is not hunting, it's shooting. Just like I don't go out to hunt ground squirrels, I shoot them. I don't have moral or ethical issues with it as I understand that pigs are a problem animal (especially in TX). I just believe that hunting is the wrong term for this as I feel this sort of shooting gives all hunters a black eye so far as the rest of the non-hunting world is concerned. To call this hunting allows non-hunting animal rights types to say that all hunters are blood thirsty killers wanting nothing more in life than to kill innocent animals.

So far as the Indians are concerned, yeah, that's not very sporting; but when it's subsistence a lot of things get a pass that wouldn't normally fly. We choose to hunt for whatever reasons, the Indians had no choice as they didn't have the technology available to grow enough crops to be vegetarians.

I think it's time we stop worrying about trying to appease anti-hunters. Because in their view ALL hunting/killing/shooting of any animal is unethical regardless of how it's done.

Fact is YOU are choosing to adopt a more strict, high-brow, sportsman's definition of "hunting". But the general dictionary definition is not so strict. Hey...the high-brow Royal types used to hunt fox with horses and packs of hounds. They certainly thought nothing "unsporting" of that. So things change.

And I don't care what the anti-hunters think.....just like the anti-gunners....because nothing you do or say will ever satisfy them.

I've heard plenty of archery hunters talk crap about hunting with a rifle being cheating and unsportsman like as well. So which level of elitist definition do we go with?

[NapalmCheese]

I think it's time we stop worrying about trying to appease anti-hunters. Because in their view ALL hunting/killing/shooting of any animal is unethical regardless of how it's done.

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And I don't care what the anti-hunters think.....just like the anti-gunners....because nothing you do or say will ever satisfy them.

I've heard plenty of archery hunters talk crap about hunting with a rifle being cheating and unsportsman like as well. So which level of elitist definition do we go with?

For every one of 'us' that feels the way you do, there is at least one of 'them' that will never be satisfied. Likewise, for every one of 'us' that feels we can project a positive image of hunting, there is one of 'them' that is either ambivalent or without strong conviction against hunting. IMO furthering the divide does nothing for us.

BTW, I archery hunt turkeys, I shoot antelope with rifles, and I choose to use a 16 gauge for ducks, which I'll shoot on the water if my freezer is looking empty. Feel free to judge me as you wish.

[AAShooter]

I agree.

So the "panty bunching" by others is merely over using the term "hunt" or "hunting"?

Although in recent times "hunting" may have a been adopted by some "high-brow, elitist" types who want to claim dominion over the word. I think in it's most basic original form, and can mean or include a lot of things.

In earlier times on this continent Indians used to chase buffalo off of a cliff. Real "sporting" of them aye?

Yes, I believe much of the "panty bunching" is about the term "hunt" or "hunting".

With regard to the Indian/Buffalo story, we generally hold subsistence hunters to a different standard as well. In some parts of this nation, we still have different standards for ethical hunting for those participating in subsistence hunting.

The other point of burn for some is the whole issue of wonton waste and the due diligence to track down injured animals on these "hunts".

[Untamed1972]

Yes, I believe much of the "panty bunching" is about the term "hunt" or "hunting".

With regard to the Indian/Buffalo story, we generally hold subsistence hunters to a different standard as well. In some parts of this nation, we still have different standards for ethical hunting for those participating in subsistence hunting.

The other point of burn for some is the whole issue of wonton waste and the due diligence to track down injured animals on these "hunts".

Well when you're stacking up feral hogs like cord wood you can only eat so many. I think you're not quite grasping the gravity of the problem and the costly damage they're dealing with there. In a manner of speaking it is "subsistence" for them.....in that they're trying to keep them from destroying their means of livelihood....ie crops.

You can blame much of the "wonton waste" on USDA regulations that do not allow the meat to be sold, or given to homeless shelters, etc, etc, etc. I'm sure they would love to be able to put all the meat to better use.....but the Gov't wont let them.

I also didn't eat all the ground squirrels I shot in my yard last weekend. Is that wonton waste? It's pest control of a prolific invasive species. What would you like them to do with them? Were the hog population in CA to get to the levels they're dealing with there, CA would have no choice but allow for aggressive methods. Heck.....for a time there was talk of the USFS doing this exact thing right here in San Diego.....eradicating hogs via helo.

Why is it "ethical" when a Gov't sniper does it......or a Gov't hunter tracks down and kills a mtn lion with dogs?

[AAShooter]

Well when you're stacking up feral hogs like cord wood you can only eat so many. I think you're not quite grasping the gravity of the problem and the costly damage they're dealing with there. In a manner of speaking it is "subsistence" for them.....in that they're trying to keep them from destroying their means of livelihood....ie crops.

You can blame much of the "wonton waste" on USDA regulations that do not allow the meat to be sold, or given to homeless shelters, etc, etc, etc. I'm sure they would love to be able to put all the meat to better use.....but the Gov't wont let them.

I also didn't eat all the ground squirrels I shot in my yard last weekend. Is that wonton waste? It's pest control of a prolific invasive species. What would you like them to do with them? Were the hog population in CA to get to the levels they're dealing with there, CA would have no choice but allow for aggressive methods. Heck.....for a time there was talk of the USFS doing this exact thing right here in San Diego.....eradicating hogs via helo.

Why is it "ethical" when a Gov't sniper does it......or a Gov't hunter tracks down and kills a mtn lion with dogs?

As mentioned before, this is an eradication program. To me, this has a different ethical standard than that of traditional ethical big game hunting.

[Untamed1972]

As mentioned before, this is an eradication program. To me, this has a different ethical standard than that of traditional ethical big game hunting.

Yes.....I agree.....but I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch because someone calls it hunting.

No.....it's not "traditional big game hunting".......no one ever said it was. And the anti-hunters aren't going to care what you call it. There is no terminology you can place on it that will make it acceptable to them.

[gl0ckc0ma]

As mentioned before, this is an eradication program. To me, this has a different ethical standard than that of traditional ethical big game hunting.

Bingo!! winner, winner chicken dinner!

It is an eradication program and should be always looked at, spoken of, and treated as such. Definately not hunting, not in any form or fashion is it hunting. So I hope OP changes his misleading thread title.

Oh and I would love to go out there, get on a heli, and help out with eradicating that infestation, looks fun!!