FDA Documents Showing Myocarditis in Boys, Vaccine vs Covid. Shocking.

[Wherryj]

I've never claimed to be a medical doctor of any sort. I can only go by medical advice and publications.

Nothing I've seen in the literature anywhere says to suspect a high casualty rate, on a five year timetable or any timetable, from pericarditis and myocarditis induced by vaccination. Zero? No. I've found evidence of two (exactly two!) cases of fulminant myocarditis thought to be caused by vaccination. But certainly a very low number, lower in fact than anaphylaxis.



That's fine, and that belief is worth considering, but are you actually asserting that any significant percentage of them are expected to have long term problems? On what basis?

You said to "look up the 3 to 5 year survival rates." I did that, and the risk wasn't all that high. What sources did you expect me to find?

What I find VERY concerning is not on my own somewhat limited experience with these conditions, but the fact that the best cardiologists I've spoken to about the potential are actually frightened about what we're about to see. This may turn out to be "a nothing burger", but myocarditis has never been something considered mild.

The last patient I had with myocarditis diagnosed was about 30. The family got over a virus suspected to have been coxsackie virus about two months earlier. Mom got hit HARD, with severe influenza like symptoms, but he had only minor sniffles for a few days.

Mom took a nap on a Saturday and her daughter came in to wake her up because "Daddy is cold." Apparently Daddy had developed inflammatory myocarditis (per the autopsy) and must have thrown an arrhythmia while sitting in his easy chair playing with his iPad. He still had the iPad on his chest when they found him.

Myocarditis doesn't even need to be fulminant to kill and it doesn't always kill immediately. THAT is why I am so concerned. People can seem absolutely fine until they SUDDENLY are not.

The CDC's own data is admitting about 69 cases per 1 million boys from the ages of 12 to 18. That isn't "almost none". I am not sure why they are so certain that vaccination myocarditis is automatically going to be "mild", but I would say that we only know when we know. Only the future will tell. Pericarditis is more of a mild and annoying disease, but myocarditis is far more lethal than the authorities and current medical establishment are making them out to be. It is a SERIOUS diagnosis with serious morbidity and mortality.

[as_rocketman]

What I find VERY concerning is not on my own somewhat limited experience with these conditions, but the fact that the best cardiologists I've spoken to about the potential are actually frightened about what we're about to see. This may turn out to be "a nothing burger", but myocarditis has never been something considered mild.

Look, I understand this sentiment, and it is a thing I take seriously. I am doing my best to get good information on the topic.

But you asked me to find 3 to 5 year mortality rates. I did -- it wasn't easy -- and what I found was not terribly concerning.

What more do you know about this?

Why should we expect outcomes from the vaccine-induced flavor to be similar to ordinary myocarditis?

Why have we seen such a tiny number of serious cases so far, with literally tens of millions of youths already vaccinated?

[anthonyca]

What do you think of this video?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/R0hI5cwdEDaY/

AC, what do you think of the video above?

[bigbossman]

The CDC's own data is admitting about 69 cases per 1 million boys from the ages of 12 to 18. That isn't "almost none".

But you asked me to find 3 to 5 year mortality rates. I did -- it wasn't easy -- and what I found was not terribly concerning.

So, you're sweeping aside the CDC's data by saying it's not very concerning?

Mmm-kay.

[SmokeTheClay]

But you asked me to find 3 to 5 year mortality rates. I did -- it wasn't easy -- and what I found was not terribly concerning.

That's a pretty kicka** time machine, doc Brown!

[UCT]

What, you didn't read it? Here:



It's not a closed subject, but with so many millions of doses in the field, we should be seeing a signal by now -- both in gross presentation and in molecular mechanics. Autoimmunity is well down the list of possible causes for vaccine-induced myocarditis, although again, these events are so rare that it'll be difficult to pin down.

I do, though. You just didn't follow it to its logical conclusion.



Yes, that's what it means. The author is identifying a theoretical concern, and then remarking that it isn't happening. What the survey suggests instead, because vaccination isn't leading to an autoimmune disease directly, is that it's triggering existing immune disregulation, thereby potentially triggering individuals who would be prone to myocarditis in the first place.

Another way we can verify this is by looking at the incidence of PASC in the vaccinated population. PASC is now tentatively understood to be an autoimmune effect resulting after infection, among individuals with a defective response. Interestingly, we see lower rates among vaccinated individuals, and what evidence we have continues to suggest that vaccination is often effective against PASC. Neither result is predicted if the vaccine epitope produces an autoimmune response.

He doesn't say it isn't happening. He says severe cases aren't happening. Autoimmune disease doesn't show up right away, but that doesn't mean they won't later or that they won't be severe later as one would expect the autoimmune disorder to get more serious with each new exposure to the spike protein.

[SmokeTheClay]

[deerdeerdeer]

LOL. That's a good one. They probably have their agendas listed on cards and just tossed 2 in the pot and decided that's how they'd write it up. Of course climate change probably makes up 40% of the cards

You should see the article about pot smokers now having heart attacks, man the fact checkers, fight against real information and spread fake ones to the masses via mainstream media. I wonder if the peoole who believe in the jab, believe these statements too. Nevermind...... I am pretty sure they do....

[deerdeerdeer]

So, you're sweeping aside the CDC's data by saying it's not very concerning?

Mmm-kay.

Time machine, not the bathtub, but the toilet, and it activates by taking a duece, and brings you to 3-5 years into the future to obtain "optimized" data.

[deerdeerdeer]

What I find VERY concerning is not on my own somewhat limited experience with these conditions, but the fact that the best cardiologists I've spoken to about the potential are actually frightened about what we're about to see. This may turn out to be "a nothing burger", but myocarditis has never been something considered mild.

The last patient I had with myocarditis diagnosed was about 30. The family got over a virus suspected to have been coxsackie virus about two months earlier. Mom got hit HARD, with severe influenza like symptoms, but he had only minor sniffles for a few days.

Mom took a nap on a Saturday and her daughter came in to wake her up because "Daddy is cold." Apparently Daddy had developed inflammatory myocarditis (per the autopsy) and must have thrown an arrhythmia while sitting in his easy chair playing with his iPad. He still had the iPad on his chest when they found him.

Myocarditis doesn't even need to be fulminant to kill and it doesn't always kill immediately. THAT is why I am so concerned. People can seem absolutely fine until they SUDDENLY are not.

The CDC's own data is admitting about 69 cases per 1 million boys from the ages of 12 to 18. That isn't "almost none". I am not sure why they are so certain that vaccination myocarditis is automatically going to be "mild", but I would say that we only know when we know. Only the future will tell. Pericarditis is more of a mild and annoying disease, but myocarditis is far more lethal than the authorities and current medical establishment are making them out to be. It is a SERIOUS diagnosis with serious morbidity and mortality.

Horny goat weed and a hot milf, wrap it up, because one fun time, can ruin your jimmy for life, just like the psuedovacccine.

[as_rocketman]

So, you're sweeping aside the CDC's data by saying it's not very concerning?

Mmm-kay.

Even if every single one of those turned out to be serious -- which is not expected nor observed -- those rates are significantly less than mortality from COVID-19 in children, so yeah, by that standard it isn't concerning.

Numbers matter.

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He doesn't say it isn't happening. He says severe cases aren't happening. Autoimmune disease doesn't show up right away, but that doesn't mean they won't later or that they won't be severe later as one would expect the autoimmune disorder to get more serious with each new exposure to the spike protein.

Again, that's a theoretically possible mechanism. But there's no evidence for it. Instead, cases in vaccinated individuals dominantly appear within a few weeks.

If this is something you're overly concerned about, I recommend you look at the dataset from Israel very carefully. There they have the highest rate of both controlled re-exposure, owing to their booster campaign (which I consider premature) and the high rate of transmission which is probably behavioral. If this were real, we should see a geometric increase in myocarditis cases... but so far, we don't. It will take more time to get good statistics here, but this is the one to watch.

[Rockglocks]

Even if every single one of those turned out to be serious -- which is not expected nor observed -- those rates are significantly less than mortality from COVID-19 in children, so yeah, by that standard it isn't concerning.

Numbers matter.

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Again, that's a theoretically possible mechanism. But there's no evidence for it. Instead, cases in vaccinated individuals dominantly appear within a few weeks.

If this is something you're overly concerned about, I recommend you look at the dataset from Israel very carefully. There they have the highest rate of both controlled re-exposure, owing to their booster campaign (which I consider premature) and the high rate of transmission which is probably behavioral. If this were real, we should see a geometric increase in myocarditis cases... but so far, we don't. It will take more time to get good statistics here, but this is the one to watch.