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  • DolphinFan
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 2580

    What is a Vaccine?

    A vaccine is something you take that protects you from getting and transmitting a virus.

    The current "vaccines":

    Won't protect you from getting COVID
    Won't protect others from getting it from you.
    IS being used on an Emergency basis...NOT APPROVED.
    Requires a "booster shot every year.

    I say a vaccine that won't protect you or others is NO VACCINE AT ALL.

    When I got my Mumps, Measles, Rubella, Polio vaccines, I was protected from getting the disease and transferring/transmitting it to others.

    The current offerings are NOT vaccines at all because they FAIL to vaccinate.

    Furthermore, under the California Constitution Article 1 Section 1 ALL Californians have the Inalienable Right to PRIVACY.

    Asking for your vaccine status or denying services to unvaccinated is a Civil Rights Violation.
    Last edited by DolphinFan; 07-30-2021, 8:37 AM.
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    DaveInOroValley
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    CGN Contributor
    • Jan 2010
    • 8967

    Posted this before but:

    NOUN
    a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity
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    • #3
      HibikiR
      Senior Member
      • May 2014
      • 2417

      Originally posted by DolphinFan
      A vaccine is something you take that protects you from getting and transmitting a virus.
      Tetanus vaccine doesn't do that.

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      • #4
        LBDamned
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Feb 2011
        • 19040

        Originally posted by HibikiR
        Tetanus vaccine doesn't do that.
        it's to "prevent" tetanus - right?...
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        • #5
          HibikiR
          Senior Member
          • May 2014
          • 2417

          Originally posted by LBDamned
          it's to "prevent" tetanus - right?...
          You can still get infected by the causative bacteria, but you can avoid serious hospitalization due to the toxin the bacteria creates. The vaccine only targets the toxin. Tetanus vaccine doesn't teach your body to fight the bacteria itself, that job goes to your non-adaptive neutrophils and to antibiotics.

          Just highlighting issues with his requirements in his definition.
          Last edited by HibikiR; 07-30-2021, 4:22 PM.

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          • #6
            wpage
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2011
            • 6071

            Vaccine
            medicine

            BY Emily K. Brunson View Edit History
            vaccine
            Vaccine
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            Key People: Louis Pasteur Edward Jenner Ian Frazer Sir Almroth Edward Wright Max Theiler
            Related Topics: Dengue vaccine MMRV vaccine Mumps vaccine Measles vaccine Rubella vaccine
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            Vaccine, suspension of weakened, killed, or fragmented microorganisms or toxins or of antibodies or lymphocytes that is administered primarily to prevent disease.

            A vaccine can confer active immunity against a specific harmful agent by stimulating the immune system to attack the agent. Once stimulated by a vaccine, the antibody-producing cells, called B cells (or B lymphocytes), remain sensitized and ready to respond to the agent should it ever gain entry to the body. A vaccine may also confer passive immunity by providing antibodies or lymphocytes already made by an animal or human donor. Vaccines are usually administered by injection (parenteral administration), but some are given orally or even nasally (in the case of flu vaccine). Vaccines applied to mucosal surfaces, such as those lining the gut or nasal passages, seem to stimulate a greater antibody response and may be the most effective route of administration. (For further information, see immunization.)

            human B cell
            human B cell
            Transmission electron micrograph of a human B cell, or B lymphocyte.
            National Institute of Health, NIAID
            The first vaccines
            The first vaccine was introduced by British physician Edward Jenner, who in 1796 used the cowpox virus (vaccinia) to confer protection against smallpox, a related virus, in humans. Prior to that use, however, the principle of vaccination was applied by Asian physicians who gave children dried crusts from the lesions of people suffering from smallpox to protect against the disease. While some developed immunity, others developed the disease. Jenner’s contribution was to use a substance similar to, but safer than, smallpox to confer immunity. He thus exploited the relatively rare situation in which immunity to one virus confers protection against another viral disease. In 1881 French microbiologist Louis Pasteur demonstrated immunization against anthrax by injecting sheep with a preparation containing attenuated forms of the bacillus that causes the disease. Four years later he developed a protective suspension against rabies.

            Edward Jenner: smallpox vaccination
            Edward Jenner: smallpox vaccination
            Edward Jenner vaccinating his child against smallpox; coloured engraving.
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            • #7
              LBDamned
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Feb 2011
              • 19040

              Originally posted by HibikiR
              You can still get infected by the causative bacteria, but you can avoid serious hospitalization due to the toxin the bacteria creates. The vaccine only targets the toxin. Tetanus vaccine doesn't teach your body to fight the bacteria itself, that job goes to your non-adaptive neutrophils and to antibiotics.

              Just highlighting issues with his requirements in his definition.
              "prevent" is the key word imo...
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              • #8
                71MUSTY
                Calguns Addict
                • Mar 2014
                • 7029

                Originally posted by DolphinFan
                A vaccine is something you take that protects you from getting and transmitting a virus.

                The current "vaccines":

                Won't protect you from getting COVID
                Won't protect others from getting it from you.
                IS being used on an Emergency basis...NOT APPROVED.
                Requires a "booster shot every year.

                I say a vaccine that won't protect you or others is NO VACCINE AT ALL.

                When I got my Mumps, Measles, Rubella, Polio vaccines, I was protected from getting the disease and transferring/transmitting it to others.

                The current offerings are NOT vaccines at all because they FAIL to vaccinate.

                Furthermore, under the California Constitution Article 1 Section 1 ALL Californians have the Inalienable Right to PRIVACY.

                Asking for your vaccine status or denying services to unvaccinated is a Civil Rights Violation.
                Interesting definition of a vaccine. Looks like something from Wikipedia. Obviously you have to get something for the Antibodies to react to before the Antibodies in your body can protect you from it. Vaccines just teach your body what to protect against. But that's ok don't let logic ruin your narrative.
                Last edited by 71MUSTY; 07-30-2021, 4:34 PM.
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                • #9
                  HibikiR
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2014
                  • 2417

                  Originally posted by LBDamned
                  "prevent" is the key word imo...
                  Prevent what?

                  Going off wpage's post, preventing disease is the primary goal. However, that's over-simplified in that no vaccine is a perfect shield and you will have some pathological activity before the antibodies can neutralize all of the pathogen. The difference is that you avoid being symptomatic or hospitalized.


                  Also, the OP's definition didn't account for non-viruses, which is why I picked tetanus. Tetanus also isn't person-to-person transmissible under normal circumstances.
                  Last edited by HibikiR; 07-30-2021, 4:40 PM.

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                  • #10
                    71MUSTY
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Mar 2014
                    • 7029

                    Originally posted by HibikiR
                    Prevent what?

                    Going off wpage's post, preventing disease is the primary goal.
                    I put chlorine in my pool to prevent wide spread algae growth. Obviously it doesn't prevent algae from entering my pool.

                    Again don't let logic get in the way of your rant.
                    Only slaves don't need guns

                    Originally posted by epilepticninja
                    Americans vs. Democrats
                    We stand for the Anthem, we kneel for the cross


                    We already have the only reasonable Gun Control we need, It's called the Second Amendment and it's the government it controls.


                    What doesn't kill me, better run

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                    • #11
                      seal20
                      Veteran Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 3081

                      Tetanus shot isn't a vaccine. That's why they call it the tetanus shot and NOT tetanus vaccine. It's a booster, similar to this COVID "vaccine" that turns you into a super spreader.

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                      • #12
                        LBDamned
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 19040

                        Originally posted by HibikiR
                        Prevent what?

                        Going off wpage's post, preventing disease is the primary goal. However, that's over-simplified in that no vaccine is a perfect shield and you will have some pathological activity before the antibodies can neutralize all of the pathogen. The difference is that you avoid being symptomatic or hospitalized.


                        Also, the OP's definition didn't account for non-viruses, which is why I picked tetanus. Tetanus also isn't person-to-person transmissible under normal circumstances.
                        Originally posted by LBDamned
                        it's to "prevent" tetanus - right?...
                        ...
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                        • #13
                          SPUTTER
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 7504

                          Tdap actually provides immunity. But allot of these vaccines contain cells from fetuses, hard pass on that.

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                          • #14
                            HibikiR
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2014
                            • 2417

                            Originally posted by seal20
                            Tetanus shot isn't a vaccine. That's why they call it the tetanus shot and NOT tetanus vaccine. It's a booster, similar to this COVID "vaccine" that turns you into a super spreader.
                            Booster is something that boosts the efficacy of a previous vaccination. Google tetanus vaccine and you'll see it's classified as a vaccine.

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                            • #15
                              HibikiR
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2014
                              • 2417

                              Originally posted by LBDamned
                              ...
                              And what is tetanus? Is it the act of getting the bacteria in your blood, or is it the disease state that puts you into a hospital?

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