SF mandates all employees get vaxxed

[nedro]

1) Employers ask employees and prospective employees for medical information every day that comes into play as to if you will be employable or not. This is nothing new.

2) HIPPA has no bearing on this conversation whatsoever.

This is not true.
And F anyone who thinks forcing one to wear a mask indefinitely is reasonable!

[Den60]

There's not much precedent on this subject, but it's highly unethical to force experimental drugs on people. There are international laws against it. The FDA's EUA for the Covid vaccine states it must be not be made mandatory. Even the military cannot force experimental vaccines on our servicemen. So how are local governments and businesses getting away with it now?

While the vaccine makers are immune from liability for adverse effects due to the use of their product, I wonder if same indemnification would apply to an employer, public or private, who forces you to take an experimental medication. At the very least, workers compensation claims would be made for adverse reactions and, in case of death, a lawsuit from family members could be undertaken.

[recpark99]

Just received the order.
This email is to provide you with information about the new vaccination related requirements for all City employees, which require all employees to:
1. report their vaccination status to the City no later than July 29, 2021, and if they are fully vaccinated, to provide documentation to verify that status; and
2. be fully vaccinated and report that vaccination status to the City no later than 10 weeks after the Federal Food & Drug Administration (FDA) gives final approval to at least one COVID-19 vaccine.

This should be fun!

[tdp113530]

What's next. Mandatory "chips"?

[spectralhunter]

Just received the order.
This email is to provide you with information about the new vaccination related requirements for all City employees, which require all employees to:
1. report their vaccination status to the City no later than July 29, 2021, and if they are fully vaccinated, to provide documentation to verify that status; and
2. be fully vaccinated and report that vaccination status to the City no later than 10 weeks after the Federal Food & Drug Administration (FDA) gives final approval to at least one COVID-19 vaccine.

This should be fun!

So it seems they will require you to wear a mask and social distance if you are not vaccinated. Once the FDA approves, vaccination will be mandated.

I also think the FDA will fully approve by the end of this Fall. Just a hunch.

[SPUTTER]

Lol, the FDA must have a time machine if they can approve a medical intervention and say it's safe. It take years!

[WWDHD?]

Just received the order.
This email is to provide you with information about the new vaccination related requirements for all City employees, which require all employees to:
1. report their vaccination status to the City no later than July 29, 2021, and if they are fully vaccinated, to provide documentation to verify that status; and
2. be fully vaccinated and report that vaccination status to the City no later than 10 weeks after the Federal Food & Drug Administration (FDA) gives final approval to at least one COVID-19 vaccine.

This should be fun!

I work for a very large municipality (maybe the same as you, maybe not ) and my thought is even if you can evade their pressure and scare tactics they will move you to the deepest, darkest corner of their domain to keep you away from as many people/coworkers as possible. If you have a desirable work location this could really be a problem.
I doubt any of the unions are going to intervene. They're onboard and in bed with management IMO.

[spectralhunter]

Lol, the FDA must have a time machine if they can approve a medical intervention and say it's safe. It take years!

The city of SF must have some feedback from the FDA to add that requirement for the vaccination.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm just stating what I think will happen.

[Romeo_alpha01]

I work for a very large municipality (maybe the same as you, maybe not ) and my thought is even if you can evade their pressure and scare tactics they will move you to the deepest, darkest corner of their domain to keep you away from as many people/coworkers as possible. If you have a desirable work location this could really be a problem.
I doubt any of the unions are going to intervene. They're onboard and in bed with management IMO.

[WWDHD?]

So it seems they will require you to wear a mask and social distance if you are not vaccinated. Once the FDA approves, vaccination will be mandated.

I also think the FDA will fully approve by the end of this Fall. Just a hunch.

Since Fake President Biden like EOs so much- why doesn't he just order the FDA to fully approve all current vaccines available now? That would solve everything with a stroke of a pen.

[numpty]

A couple of honest questions.

The employer can still be sued for it, yes?

At that point it's up to the employee to establish that not being vaccinated was the reason for their termination? Assuming there were glowing reviews, character references, etc. it could be assumed that there was no reason for termination other than vaccination status. Is a jury involved in this sort of case?

I'm just thinking there will be so many people terminated due to their vaccine status that we're likely to see lots of lawsuits and I'm curious how they would all be thrown out or ruled against because the employer decided to terminate them because it's "Wednesday".

I'm honestly curious since I'm no lawyer...I'd rather go to Heaven.

[WWDHD?]

Maybe, maybe not. Could just as easily be the crappiest post you can think of on the midnight shift too.
The order of how Big Bro gets us to do what it wants is: 1. The nudge. "free vax available". 2. The Push. Get a vax and win a prize!" 3. The Shove. "Get the vax or you loose everything".
This is how I see it.

[sigstroker]

That gives people plenty of time to find new jobs.

What happens to their retirement/pension if they're fired for this reason?

[SPUTTER]

I find it odd that they haven't mandated people in prison to get the shot. Doesn't that seem strange?

[recpark99]

I work for a very large municipality (maybe the same as you, maybe not ) and my thought is even if you can evade their pressure and scare tactics they will move you to the deepest, darkest corner of their domain to keep you away from as many people/coworkers as possible. If you have a desirable work location this could really be a problem.
I doubt any of the unions are going to intervene. They're onboard and in bed with management IMO.

I work for a large municipality as well, and there's only 2 permanent positions in my classification (mine being one of the two). I've been working remotely since the scamdemic began and actually get much more work done than when reporting to work. If they'd like me to stay away for the next 7 years til I retire, I'm cool with that.