USA "Deaths from all causes" constant even with covid

[ACfixer]

This graph doesn't represent actual deaths, its PREDICTED.

And even if it does.... we know it mostly kills people that would have likely died soon. We really (let's be honest from both sides of the argument) need to look at about a three year aggregate. Covid might have killed 200K people last year that would have ordinarily been dead by June of this year. The number might be 200K low next year because of that.

Statistics are fodder for BS manipulation, we all know that. Here's what we do know...

Then there's this:

Yeah okay... I am plum in the 99.5% survival zone and in good health. Not scared. I'm not interested in a "vaccine" that might improve my astronomically good chances of survival.

[Scota4570]

I too am in the younger end of the bracket of 99.5%. I will also refuse the vaccine.

If they were to allow me to be tested or antibodies, I might change my mind if I have no covid antibodies. I am pretty sure I had it early on.

If they want to incentivize the doubters they should allow an antibody test to see if the vaccine was possibly beneficial in the first place. The fact that that is not even spoken of make me more suspicious.

Originally Posted by toro1 View Post
It could be covid accelerated the deaths of people who had many comorbidities so they died earlier than should have been expected. It wouldn't surprise me to see 2021 total deaths to be lower than the expected 2020 deaths.

We had two lite flu years previous to covid. That left many people who normally would have been taken by the flu alive. With a two year back log of low hanging fruit, covid cleaned house on the the elderly who were past their due date. Yes, I agree next year will likely be a low mortality flu year. The low hanging fruit has been harvested. Those who remain will be tougher. And, there is political incentive to declare victory.

( Please excuse the glib treatment of others' misfortune, I can not think of a better way to explain it right now)

[as_rocketman]

If they were to allow me to be tested or antibodies, I might change my mind if I have no covid antibodies. I am pretty sure I had it early on.

If they want to incentivize the doubters they should allow an antibody test to see if the vaccine was possibly beneficial in the first place. The fact that that is not even spoken of make me more suspicious.

Well... the antibody test is not definitive, as even those fully immunized will see titers of antibodies fall after a few months. There are other immunological mechanisms at work. So this approach isn't going to be definitive.

Having said that, I'm confused about you being "Allowed" to test for them? You don't have any access to testing, either through community resources or over the counter? It shouldn't be hard to find at this stage.

[Garand Hunter]

Uh NO, we are NOT all going to die ! But for you who insist on it, helpeth thy self ! The rest of us will just keep on uh keeping on.

Psalm 1

[Scota4570]

I wonder how people have antibodies to the 1918 flu 100 years later yet covid antibodies are so sketchy and fleeting. It does not make sense.

Allowed?, I have no doctor. My insurance is very expensive, has high deductibles, high copays and I must find your own competent doctors. I have yet to find a competent GP in my area. All the good ones are not taking new patients and/or have large concierge fees. Other that that it is great. Sorry to veer OT.

I see labcorp will do it for $42. I may just do that. I end up paying for everything else out of my own pocket anyway.

[as_rocketman]

I wonder how people have antibodies to the 1918 flu 100 years later yet covid antibodies are so sketchy and fleeting. It does not make sense.

You may have gotten the wrong impression, because they aren't that different. Influenza antibody titers also drop on a similar timetable. You may be referring to the fact that the 1918 strain shares features with modern strains that still sweep the globe once in a while -- potentially renewing detectable antibodies.

Virtually everyone will have antibodies to some sort of coronavirus as well, but keep in mind coronaviruses aren't as recombinant as influenza, and the antibodies are more specific.

[Scota4570]

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93675590

And using some sophisticated new techniques, they found antibodies to the 1918 flu in every one of the 32 people they tested who were alive in 1918, and few if any antibodies in anyone born after 1925.

[UCT]

The younger you are when exposed to a virus or vaccine, the longer your immunity lasts. That's why they have a heavy vaccine schedule for kids. That's also why some who were exposed to the 1918 flu can still be immune.

[as_rocketman]

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...oryId=93675590

And using some sophisticated new techniques, they found antibodies to the 1918 flu in every one of the 32 people they tested who were alive in 1918, and few if any antibodies in anyone born after 1925.

Yeah, but they tested people who had been recently challenged by a modern influenza strain. If you had tested them before, there's no guarantee they'd have had detectable levels of relevant antibodies.

This is the problem with a novel virus -- we aren't used to dealing with something like it on a global scale, so some of the findings are a little counterintuitive. Since SARS-CoV-2 is probably going endemic as well I imagine everyone will be refreshing their antibodies once in a while... but we're not there yet. Would be nice if we could actually eradicate this virus, but I'm not betting on it.

[turbolxstang]

Casket manufacturers were running out of wood and they were piling bodies in refrigerated trucks behind the hospitals, all you Trumpsters need to get the jab ASAP so we can get to herd immunity, carrot dangling on the stick, come enjoy freedoms such as dining indoors

[UCT]

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...oryId=93675590

And using some sophisticated new techniques, they found antibodies to the 1918 flu in every one of the 32 people they tested who were alive in 1918, and few if any antibodies in anyone born after 1925.

This is exactly correct. "However, they write that the subjects' clinical histories and the high affinity of the monoclonal antibodies for the 1918 strain "strongly suggest that recent exposures do not account for this immunity."

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2008/08/researchers-find-long-lived-immunity-1918-pandemic-virus

[ibanezfoo]

That's just how it is these days, you can't take every story at face value but you can always just rely on common sense. Do you see bodies stacked up on the street during said pandemic? Do you see homeless dying in droves during said pandemic? Do you see the hospitals full of patients during said pandemic. Sometimes common sense is all you need.

Worse than that. You watch the TV and they tell you about all this crazy overcrowding and whatnot then you go do the actual hospital and see how they bunched a few people up in a room and got their dramatic imagery for TV while the reality is its just a corner of a room... F'n liars. Absolute trash humans.

[ibanezfoo]

Casket manufacturers were running out of wood and they were piling bodies in refrigerated trucks behind the hospitals, all you Trumpsters need to get the jab ASAP so we can get to herd immunity, carrot dangling on the stick, come enjoy freedoms such as dining indoors

Being facecious? These days you can never tell.

[bigbossman]

Casket manufacturers were running out of wood and they were piling bodies in refrigerated trucks behind the hospitals, all you Trumpsters need to get the jab ASAP so we can get to herd immunity, carrot dangling on the stick, come enjoy freedoms such as dining indoors

"Reefers full of corpses!!!!". Yeah a couple of dunces on this forum trotted that line out, but disappeared when asked for proof.

I've been enjoying freedoms "such as dining indoors" all along. No need for the vaccine, I'm good.

[LBDamned]

Casket manufacturers were running out of wood and they were piling bodies in refrigerated trucks behind the hospitals, all you Trumpsters need to get the jab ASAP so we can get to herd immunity, carrot dangling on the stick, come enjoy freedoms such as dining indoors

Been dining indoors since before the vax.

Gonna hafta get something better than a carrot- 'cause at this point, there's no benefit.