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[LBDamned]

"No."

Nothing more is needed.

[stonefly-2]

From the link you provided. It pretty much answers your question.

So you reject that "works, but only for a while" would hold any promise in

a time of pandemic considering the totality of the resources we are expending?

At least now you know "wtaf I'm talking about....derp"

[sakosf]

I would have no interest in risking becoming a "long hauler"

https://www.studyfinds.org/covid-alt...-long-haulers/ interesting article......needs further research studies I think as do other reaearch study results

[HibikiR]

So you reject that "works, but only for a while" would hold any promise in

a time of pandemic considering the totality of the resources we are expending?

At least now you know "wtaf I'm talking about....derp"

Wait, are you admitting that COVID is a disease serious enough to dip into something like convalescent plasma to address a shortage of resources? I thought people were saying take some zinc and Vit-D and go home.

Fun fact: If you object to the vaccine because it's only an "emergency use authorization" thing with no rigorous testing then you can take that viewpoint to convalescent plasma as well as it's EUA as well.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-issues-emergency-use-authorization-convalescent-plasma-potential-promising-covid-19-treatment

[SanDiego619]

Wait, are you admitting that COVID is a disease serious enough to dip into something like convalescent plasma to address a shortage of resources? I thought people were saying take some zinc and Vit-D and go home.

Fun fact: If you object to the vaccine because it's only an "emergency use authorization" thing with no rigorous testing then you can take that viewpoint to convalescent plasma as well as it's EUA as well.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...d-19-treatment

Covid is like the flu. It can basically be ignored, especially for anyone under 70.

[Den60]

Looks like bbguns44 got tongue tied after trying to insult me.

[HibikiR]

Covid is like the flu. It can basically be ignored, especially for anyone under 70.

So why is stonefly pushing for transfusions?

[stonefly-2]

Wait, are you admitting that COVID is a disease serious enough to dip into something like convalescent plasma to address a shortage of resources? I thought people were saying take some zinc and Vit-D and go home.

Fun fact: If you object to the vaccine because it's only an "emergency use authorization" thing with no rigorous testing then you can take that viewpoint to convalescent plasma as well as it's EUA as well.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...d-19-treatment

Your'e hitting all around with points mostly stated by others but for the sake of conversation I will own them with some qualification/clarification.

My original point was that if herd immunity were a thing I would expect a hopeful line of research in the area of blood transfusion.

Shortage of resources has nothing to do with it.

I am not one that believes Covid is not a serious bioweapon.

People are saying to bolster your immune system but it's not doctors that would be in a situation to tell you to "go home" saying it..... for them that is now illegal.

C, D and Zinc are on most lists as prevention yes.

Hydroxychloroquine was widely discredited by the prog through testing it as a stand alone drug which it never was.

What it is is an Ionophore,

an agent that makes some other medication more readily taken in by the cells of our body and in this case it is the Zinc that it was bolstering the efficacy of.

In the same way Hydroxychloroquine was being sandbagged then
Ivermectin is being sandbagged now.

I would be eager to take a Covid vaccine should one become available or a blood transfusion for the purpose of conveying antibodies if it was proven an effective and safe treatment.

There is nothing about the EUA nature of blood transfusions as treatment for Covid that would preclude research in that area.

Researching blood transfusion and getting a blood transfusion are 2 different things.

One I commented on and the other was the object of a feeble attempt at extrapolation on your part.

[BajaJames83]

this is America let people do what they want to do and take the risks associated with it.

[HibikiR]

My original point was that if herd immunity were a thing I would expect a hopeful line of research in the area of blood transfusion.

Strapping "immunity" to antibody transfusion is more of a confounding mistake. The antibodies in donated plasma only have a half-life of 30-40 days, a far cry from the half-life of years to decades for activated lymphocytes via vaccines. Its application also takes place after you get sick, not before like with vaccines. Donated plasma does not activate lymphocytes, except in the case of your body rejecting stuff created in someone else's body, and that does nothing for herd immunity.

If you want herd immunity then you have to involve activation of lymphocytes. Transfusion doesn't do that.

[stonefly-2]

Strapping "immunity" to antibody transfusion is more of a confounding mistake. The antibodies in donated plasma only have a half-life of 30-40 days, a far cry from the half-life of years to decades for activated lymphocytes via vaccines. Its application also takes place after you get sick, not before like with vaccines. Donated plasma does not activate lymphocytes, except in the case of your body rejecting stuff created in someone else's body, and that does nothing for herd immunity.

If you want herd immunity then you have to involve activation of lymphocytes. Transfusion doesn't do that.

Is there a point or question of some sort in there for me?

[HibikiR]

What, "does nothing for herd immunity" not clear for you?

[handjam]

No, I got a degree in biology and know a bit about natural selection. Again, tell me why nature would select for a virus to become more deadly? As for mutations, they will happen regardless of whether you had a vaccine, obtained natural immunity or were never infected in the first place. Lack of vaccinated people will have no effect as to whether the virus becomes deadlier - though, typically, these types of viruses tend to attenuate as they mutate.

[HibikiR]

To back handjam's post: At least 2 strains of smallpox had become too deadly in the past, but those strains died out long before vaccines because the lethality negatively impacted transmission.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200918-why-some-deadly-viruses-vanish-and-go-extinct

[Den60]

Again, the tendency is for viruses to attenuate. The H1N1 virus killed millions in 1918-1920. Its still around and some mutations can be more "deadly" than other recent variants but not nearly to the point of the original outbreak. COVID-19 will not disappear, it will simply not be as much of a threat as it was initially.

A higher viral load would typically lead to more pronounced symptoms. People with pronounced symptoms are more apt stay home. People staying at home are less likely to spread the virus then those out and about. The whole point of the CDC mask mandate is based on the assumption that people with little to no symptoms are spreading the virus. So, selection would tend to not favor the mutation you propose.

COVID-19 does not kill young people, it mostly kills elderly people well past their reproductive age.