Covid lockdowns-suicide

[duenor]

You guys are hilarious.
"Too bad for the vulnerable, why should we all suffer for the good of a few?"
"Oh noes the suicides, we need to think about those who commit suicide"

[skirunman]

You guys are hilarious.
"Too bad for the vulnerable, why should we all suffer for the good of a few?"
"Oh noes the suicides, we need to think about those who commit suicide"

Can you not see that both of your comments are the result of un-constitutional edicts based on bad science.

[meno377]

You guys are hilarious.
"Too bad for the vulnerable, why should we all suffer for the good of a few?"
"Oh noes the suicides, we need to think about those who commit suicide"

You mean you can't tell the difference between an act of nature vs someone choosing to commit suicide??????

[therealnickb]

Fear mongers are sad useless cretins.

[toro1]

While I feel for your families' losses. It's anecdote vs. population level data. If, you look at those papers hundreds of people still committed suicide in both the pre and post lockdown periods, but the rate of suicide per 100K pop did not change, pretty strong evidence that lockdowns did not cause more suicides on a population level. Suicides during a lockdown at or below the baseline level are not "lockdown induced suicides", it's suicides above that baseline that are "lockdown induced suicides". So far, excess suicides unlike excess deaths are not apparent in the data (except maybe Japan).

You seem to have access to data the rest of us cannot find. Can you share the data/source for the rest of us to see?

[balgor]

You seem to have access to data the rest of us cannot find. Can you share the data/source for the rest of us to see?

Umm, did you look at any of the 4 count em 4 links I posted? See post #4

New one:

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352

Trends in suicide during the covid-19 pandemic

Widely reported studies modelling the effect of the covid-19 pandemic on suicide rates predicted increases ranging from 1% to 145%,6 largely reflecting variation in underlying assumptions. Particular emphasis has been given to the effect of the pandemic on children and young people. Numerous surveys have highlighted that their mental health has been disproportionately affected, relative to older adults,37 and some suggest an increase in suicidal thoughts and self-harm.8

Supposition, however, is no replacement for evidence. Timely data on rates of suicide are vital, and for some months we have been tracking and reviewing relevant studies for a living systematic review.6 The first version in June found no robust epidemiological studies with suicide as an outcome, but several studies reporting suicide trends have emerged more recently. Overall, the literature on the effect of covid-19 on suicide should be interpreted with caution. Most of the available publications are preprints, letters (neither is peer reviewed),91011 or commentaries using news reports of deaths by suicide as the data source.12

Nevertheless, a reasonably consistent picture is beginning to emerge from high income countries. Reports suggest either no rise in suicide rates (Massachusetts, USA11; Victoria, Australia13; England14) or a fall (Japan,9 Norway15) in the early months of the pandemic.


I'm not 100% sure, but I'm leaning towards the belief that the lockdowns/pandemic panic lead to more suicides is a false narrative. Give me something backed by evidence and I'll be the 1st person to support it.

Supposition, however, is no replacement for evidence.

[jackw007]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm

Yep. No problem. Everyone's doing just fine.

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[therealnickb]

[Den60]

You guys are hilarious.
"Too bad for the vulnerable, why should we all suffer for the good of a few?"
"Oh noes the suicides, we need to think about those who commit suicide"

While you have proved yourself to be a pathetic excuse for a human being, can you please tell us who you are quoting?

Here is an article from the uber conservative NPR:

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/10/911117577/the-pandemic-has-researchers-worried-about-teen-suicide

Since you like to talk about spike in COVID cases as they relate to potential fatalities don't you think that a spike in the type of symptoms, anxiety and depression, that lead toward suicide would be equally disturbing?

[duenor]

While you have proved yourself to be a pathetic excuse for a human being, can you please tell us who you are quoting?

Here is an article from the uber conservative NPR:

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/10/911117577/the-pandemic-has-researchers-worried-about-teen-suicide

Since you like to talk about spike in COVID cases as they relate to potential fatalities don't you think that a spike in the type of symptoms, anxiety and depression, that lead toward suicide would be equally disturbing?

Some stellar verbiage you have there. Having been called out on psychobabble, you now resort to the more garden variety insults. Yawn.

I'm not quoting anyone. Notice I referenced multiple people, not any single one. It's the tone and ideology: arguing that it is unfair to impose restrictions on many for the good of a few (the vulnerable), while at the same time arguing that it is fair to do little in terms of mitigation for the many for the good of a few (the people who choose to die by suicide). Do you not see the contradiction in stance?

And if you'd actually bothered to read that article you're triumphantly waving, you'd notice that it never says there has been an increase in suicides, merely that they are worried that it might be the case. It also goes on to note that teen suicide has been a problem increasing in severity for many years:

The stressors of COVID come as youth suicide was already at a record high before the pandemic, with increases every year since 2007. Suicide is the second leading cause of death among people ages 10-24, after accidents, as it has been for many years, according to the most recent data available from the CDC.

This is one of those "oh will someone think of the children" plaintive appeals to pity, with no real evidence to support it. The difference here is that, where I'm accustomed to such arguments being made by those who want more gun control, now it is being utilized by the likes of you.

[Kokopelli]

Woodbridge elementary student shoots self (dead) during distance learning zoom call

[toro1]

Umm, did you look at any of the 4 count em 4 links I posted? See post #4

New one:

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352

Trends in suicide during the covid-19 pandemic

Widely reported studies modelling the effect of the covid-19 pandemic on suicide rates predicted increases ranging from 1% to 145%,6 largely reflecting variation in underlying assumptions. Particular emphasis has been given to the effect of the pandemic on children and young people. Numerous surveys have highlighted that their mental health has been disproportionately affected, relative to older adults,37 and some suggest an increase in suicidal thoughts and self-harm.8

Supposition, however, is no replacement for evidence. Timely data on rates of suicide are vital, and for some months we have been tracking and reviewing relevant studies for a living systematic review.6 The first version in June found no robust epidemiological studies with suicide as an outcome, but several studies reporting suicide trends have emerged more recently. Overall, the literature on the effect of covid-19 on suicide should be interpreted with caution. Most of the available publications are preprints, letters (neither is peer reviewed),91011 or commentaries using news reports of deaths by suicide as the data source.12

Nevertheless, a reasonably consistent picture is beginning to emerge from high income countries. Reports suggest either no rise in suicide rates (Massachusetts, USA11; Victoria, Australia13; England14) or a fall (Japan,9 Norway15) in the early months of the pandemic.


I'm not 100% sure, but I'm leaning towards the belief that the lockdowns/pandemic panic lead to more suicides is a false narrative. Give me something backed by evidence and I'll be the 1st person to support it.

Supposition, however, is no replacement for evidence.

Yes and the only one in the US is for Mass and only covers thru May. I (and others) are asking, where is the actual US suicide data for 2020? The CDC has to have it but it doesn't seem to be getting published. Since you didn't provide a link to actual data I assume you don't have it either.

It's really pretty simple, just publish the numbers.

[toro1]

You guys are hilarious.
"Too bad for the vulnerable, why should we all suffer for the good of a few?"
"Oh noes the suicides, we need to think about those who commit suicide"

Just Wow. You really are amazing and I do not mean that in a good way.

[duenor]

Woodbridge elementary student shoots self (dead) during distance learning zoom call

That has not been established to be suicide, AFAIK. He wasn't on camera during the shooting.

[therealnickb]

While you have proved yourself to be a pathetic excuse for a human being, can you please tell us who you are quoting?

Here is an article from the uber conservative NPR:

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/10/911117577/the-pandemic-has-researchers-worried-about-teen-suicide

Since you like to talk about spike in COVID cases as they relate to potential fatalities don't you think that a spike in the type of symptoms, anxiety and depression, that lead toward suicide would be equally disturbing?

Over 54 MILLION people have already died in 2020. But TDS afflicted vaccine salespersons don't give a rats arse. They are twisted beyond repair.