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[Scota4570]

I do not think that comparing covid to other flu types is valid. Covid is tabulated differently than we ever have for any other flu.

Flu is deadly to the elderly who are also in the process of dying (have comorbidity). My mother was an example, she died of the flu two years ago. It would have been some cause of death and soon. Covid is also deadly to those people too. Flu or covid, the result would have been the same.

The difference is that we are now keeping records of every aspect of the current strain. We are testing obsessively. This is unprecedented. During the flu outbreak ~5 years ago, under another administration, they let it happen and took no extraordinary measures. They did not do much testing. We have no idea how widespread it was. This time around we are being terrorized with misinformation and propaganda.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate

As you can see from the linked charts the TOTAL death rate has been increasing since 2013. There is not a covid blip for this year. So some people died of covid instead of something else.

[bigbossman]

.... During the flu outbreak ~5 years ago, under another administration, they let it happen and took no extraordinary measures. They did not do much testing. We have no idea how widespread it was. This time around we are being terrorized with misinformation and propaganda.

Who was going to be the first to question the way of the messiah, and be made to fall on their sword for it?

[balgor]

If, anyone had actually bothered to read the graph/link I posted.

The IFR estimates are derived from a number of different countries, so I guess all of them are in on the death inflation conspiracy? And yes, all IFRs for every disease every recorded is an estimate. To come up with an "actual number" you'd have to test every single person in the country. There's this thing called population sampling and the Law of Large Numbers, that shows that samples give very accurate estimates of population parameters.

One of you "only 6% of death certs listed only covid" explain the etiology (medical path of causality that resulted in death) from Covid alone? The only thing that 6% number tells you is that 6% of the death certs where filled out improperly. Covid, AIDS, Flu, most infectious diseases cannot be listed as a direct cause of death, all of them are causal factors.

[bigbossman]

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I think I'm on to something. Are you two even adults? Or maybe one person with a sock puppet account? Hmmmm??

[VictorFranko]

207,000 have died with it not necessarily from it. In fact all you have to have is one of the Covid symptoms, not even a positive test but just a symptom to be counted in those 200,000.

So 'they' say.

How many of the 100,000 regular flu deaths recorded were actually caused by underlying conditions?

[balgor]

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I think I'm on to something. Are you two even adults? Or maybe one person with a sock puppet account? Hmmmm??

Thank you for all your brilliant and insightful comments. I don't know what we'd do without your astonishing relevant criticisms of the data and methods utilized. You are clearly omniscient and I bow before your intellectual radiance.

[bombadillo]

Well when we have virtually no flu deaths in comparison suddenly one year and the prior year was something like 81, 000 you know that's half your problem right

[bigbossman]

.... I bow before your intellectual radiance.

As you should.

[five.five-six]

"balgor" World of Warcraft character.

"duenor" World of Warcraft character.

I think I'm on to something. Are you two even adults? Or maybe one person with a sock puppet account? Hmmmm??

That explains a lot.

[357manny]

Lmfao
This beats repeating.
QFT!

[bigbossman]

That explains a lot.

It sure do, don't it.

[71MUSTY]

Take the average it's ~36K per year. It's what I did.

That's not the average that is the mean. I'm just thankful the flu took 2020 of and has not killed anyone. However the number of cases of Cancer that went undetected this year due to the shutdown could kill more people then COVID before we are done.

[toro1]

If, anyone had actually bothered to read the graph/link I posted.

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I read the link and you are using graphs showing estimates from many people to support your statement of Trump being a pants on fire liar. By now, real data should be available to review but that is not what was presented by you. This is just one reason your posts are disregarded by many.

[240z]

Apples and Oranges

Covid isn't black death deadly, but it's certainly 3-15X more deadly than the flu for most age groups. Flu with an average IFR of 0.05% just isn't very deadly. Stating that covid is about as deadly as the flu is just plain wrong.

For a 74 year old the IFR of covid is ~2% and for the flu it's ~0.15%, so yeah it's deadlier. The fact trump didn't die isn't surprising, ~98% of people in his age group survive covid and 99.85% of people in his age group survive the flu. Would you prefer a 1/50 chance in dying or a 1/666.7 chance of dying?

There has been a flu vaccine for many years. It is not always the right cocktail, but nevertheless, we have a vaccine that many people get, especially older folks, and there are still up to 60k deaths per year from influenza (maybe more as it is not tracked like Covid is).

So, yeah, let's compare a new virus (with a decreasing death rate without a vaccine btw), to a virus that has been in the population for a long time, has a vaccine program, and isn't specifically tracked or even tested for. That makes sense.....

Covid may or may not be more deadly than the flu, but we have only estimates of flu deaths, so why are all of you "peer reviewed study", "go with the science" folks suddenly so willing to accept estimates as fact?

[tundraboomer]

If bad math was lethal, half the people on this forum would be dead.