Trumps Message - Facebook Pulled

[harbormaster]

Our president issued a post on facebook;

He noted that flu season is coming and sometimes over a 100,000 die of the flu. We don't close the country for that I paraphrase is post. We learned to live it t and we're leaning to live with Covid. His final line quoted: "in most populations far less lethal."

Facebook removed this post pretty quick as it only got 1.7k shares and 1.2k comments with 23k whatever (likes / not likes etc).

Is he wrong about covid? Who says he is wrong and have they always been right? I think the people are entitled to Trump's opinion on this; but for this forum is Covid more lethal then the flu? To "most populations"???

[CessnaDriver]

They are terrified of the truth teller Trump. It destroys their narrative about killing grandma, we’ve always killed grandma .

[balgor]

Comparing COVID-19 to seasonal influenza:

https://github.com/mbevand/covid19-age-stratified-ifr

Except for children it's FAR more dangerous than the flu for every other age group.

"in most populations far less lethal." Pants on fire false.

"Sometimes over a 100,000 die of the flu" Sure, in 1918 more than 100,000 died of the flu and I'm sure in some other random years we exceeded 100K deaths. However, medical technology and treatments are a lot better now than even the 1990s, so a fair comparison would be flu deaths in recent years. Over the last 10 years we averaged 36,000 flu deaths per year. So technically true, but not really relevant information.

[CessnaDriver]

In 1968 100K died in USA from flu.

[the_tunaman]

F Fakebook.

[Citadelgrad87]

Comparing COVID-19 to seasonal influenza:

https://github.com/mbevand/covid19-age-stratified-ifr

Except for children it's FAR more dangerous than the flu for every other age group.

"in most populations far less lethal." Pants on fire false.

"Sometimes over a 100,000 die of the flu" Sure, in 1918 more than 100,000 died of the flu and I'm sure in some other random years we exceeded 100K deaths. However, medical technology and treatments are a lot better now than even the 1990s, so a fair comparison would be flu deaths in recent years. Over the last 10 years we averaged 36,000 flu deaths per year. So technically true, but not really relevant information.

CDC says since 2010, the range is 12,000 to 61,000.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

[Paul_R]

Trump knows better than most that the alleged 200,000 deaths is BS.

[balgor]

CDC says since 2010, the range is 12,000 to 61,000.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Take the average it's ~36K per year. It's what I did.

[harbormaster]

leading cause of death?

The hew and cry has been that "covid" was listed as a cause of death for monetary gain of hospitals - there is limited but some evidence this is true and has happened. Do you think it happens with the flu? Is the flu a partial or leading cause of death?

Does not covid and the flu both impact the elderly more. How many age groups are there? It would seem to me that under 50 is a larger group then over 50? It would seem to me that covid is less lethal under 50 then over? How that a false statement then?

How can we trust the science anymore? And if we can trust the science why does the media and social media need to screen opposing views?

Comparing COVID-19 to seasonal influenza:

https://github.com/mbevand/covid19-age-stratified-ifr

Except for children it's FAR more dangerous than the flu for every other age group.

"in most populations far less lethal." Pants on fire false.

"Sometimes over a 100,000 die of the flu" Sure, in 1918 more than 100,000 died of the flu and I'm sure in some other random years we exceeded 100K deaths. However, medical technology and treatments are a lot better now than even the 1990s, so a fair comparison would be flu deaths in recent years. Over the last 10 years we averaged 36,000 flu deaths per year. So technically true, but not really relevant information.

[CessnaDriver]

Trump knows better than most that the alleged 200,000 deaths is BS.

[balgor]

The hew and cry has been that "covid" was listed as a cause of death for monetary gain of hospitals - there is limited but some evidence this is true and has happened. Do you think it happens with the flu? Is the flu a partial or leading cause of death?

Does not covid and the flu both impact the elderly more. How many age groups are there? It would seem to me that under 50 is a larger group then over 50? It would seem to me that covid is less lethal under 50 then over? How that a false statement then?

How can we trust the science anymore? And if we can trust the science why does the media and social media need to screen opposing views?

Click on the link I posted and wallah you would have seen the following data visualization.

[cleonard]

Flu deaths are significantly undercounted. A lot of pneumonia deaths only happen well after the influenza virus has cleared from the body. It's not 10x though.

[sonofeugene]

In 1968 100K died in USA from flu.

And what did we do? We had Woodstock!

[Scota4570]

I see two kind of people on this issue. Those who accept whatever they are told without question. And, those who ask questions and take the time to learn about things for themselves.

I meet more and more people who are fed up and ready to allow society to resume normal operation. They, and I, do not see plausible evidence that the countermeasures are effective or necessary. They are horribly damaging to people and society. Two examples are devastating the school children and shuttering the elderly to live their remaining time alone. Many seniors I know are stepping out and ignoring the rules because of this fact.

We now know that only if you are elderly and/or currently dying of a disease process, covid will not be a problem. The ones who are obedient, terrified, and ignorant want the government to wrap them in a cocoon of safety like a surrogate parent. It is disheartening to me that so many fellow citizens fall into this category. They do not realize that any thing worth doing has some element of risk. Eliminating all risk makes life not worth living.

We may disagree on the details of how we manage covid. I would hope we can agree that living in a locked down micromanaged society is not a viable option.

[bigbossman]

Click on the link I posted and wallah....

It's spelled "voila".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voil%C3%A0