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  • SAN compnerd
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • May 2009
    • 4725

    Hydroxychloroquine works in high-risk patients, and saying otherwise is dangerous

    As of Wednesday, some 165,000 people in the United States have died from COVID-19. I have made the case in the American Journal of Epidemiology and in Newsweek that people who have a medical need to be treated can be treated early and successfully with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and antibiotics such as azithromycin or doxycycline. I have also argued that these drugs are safe and have made that case privately to the Food and Drug Administration.

    The pushback has been furious. Dr. Anthony Fauci has implied that I am incompetent, notwithstanding my hundreds of highly regarded, methodologically relevant publications in peer-reviewed scientific literature. A group of my Yale colleagues has publicly intimated that I am a zealot who is perpetrating a dangerous hoax and conspiracy theory. I have been attacked in news articles by journalists who, ignorant of the full picture, have spun hit pieces from cherry-picked sources.
    To date, there are no studies whatsoever, published or in pre-print, that provide scientific evidence against the treatment approach for high-risk outpatients that I have described. None. Assertions to the contrary, whether by Fauci, the FDA, or anyone else, are without foundation. They constitute misleading and toxic disinformation.
    As of Wednesday, some 165,000 people in the United States have died from COVID-19. I have made the case in the American Journal of Epidemiology and in
    "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

    Originally posted by SAN compnerd
    When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.
  • #2
    CAL.BAR
    CGSSA OC Chapter Leader
    • Nov 2007
    • 5632

    The VAST majority of the medical community is in agreement with the CDC. HCQ DOESN'T WORK! Even IF trump bought 63 million doses from his corporate buddies. IT JUST DOESN'T.

    If you have EVIDENCE that the entire CDC (which banned the use of HCQ), really and truly would rather allow Americans to sicken and die than use a truly safe and effective medicine BRING IT! Stop with this nonsense.

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    • #3
      JDoe
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jul 2008
      • 2420

      Originally posted by CAL.BAR
      The VAST majority of the medical community is in agreement with the CDC. HCQ DOESN'T WORK! Even IF trump bought 63 million doses from his corporate buddies. IT JUST DOESN'T.

      If you have EVIDENCE that the entire CDC (which banned the use of HCQ), really and truly would rather allow Americans to sicken and die than use a truly safe and effective medicine BRING IT! Stop with this nonsense.
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      • #4
        theLBC
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Oct 2017
        • 6604

        Originally posted by CAL.BAR
        The VAST majority of the medical community is in agreement with the CDC. HCQ DOESN'T WORK! Even IF trump bought 63 million doses from his corporate buddies. IT JUST DOESN'T.

        If you have EVIDENCE that the entire CDC (which banned the use of HCQ), really and truly would rather allow Americans to sicken and die than use a truly safe and effective medicine BRING IT! Stop with this nonsense.
        8 members of the NIH Covid-19 treatment advisory board have significant financial ties to Geliead Sciences.

        they have big financial incentives to make sure something cheap is ignored.
        they can't force you to take an unproven vaccine every year for $50 a pop if there is something else that works.

        the entire DOJ and FBI was corrupt under Obama and ran a treasonous operation to remove the duly elected president after failing to adequately sabotage his election.

        and you find corrupt health officials hard to believe?
        please.

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        • #5
          GlockN'Roll
          Veteran Member
          • May 2015
          • 3688

          Originally posted by CAL.BAR
          The VAST majority of the medical community is in agreement with the CDC. HCQ DOESN'T WORK! Even IF trump bought 63 million doses from his corporate buddies. IT JUST DOESN'T.

          If you have EVIDENCE that the entire CDC (which banned the use of HCQ), really and truly would rather allow Americans to sicken and die than use a truly safe and effective medicine BRING IT! Stop with this nonsense.


          Back again with even more silly posts...

          You go girl... Or is that too binary for you?

          Don't let the facts stop you from living in your fantasy world of socialism and absurd liberal social experiments .
          Real Californian...

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          • #6
            balgor
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 1553

            OH god another HCQ post. Sure, we have the CDC, FDA, NIH, every academic institution (Yale literally released a letter condemning Risch ), Trump's own experts Fauci, Birx, Grior, Hahn, etc, 7 RCTs, the European versions of the CDC, NIH, FDA versus a small percentage of the medical community motivated by god knows what.

            "There has been only one exception: In a study done in Spain (one of the 7 RCTs I mentioned and no it's not the same paper as the other spanish paper) with low-risk patients, a small number of high-risk nursing home patients were included. For those patients, the medications cut the risk of a bad outcome in half."

            NOT Statistically Significant, Risch has zero credibility, by the end of my 1st stat class I knew what statistical significance was. I'm sure Risch does too and is counting on his audience not know what a p-value is.

            Obviously nothing will convince the HCQ Evangelicals that is doesn't work. I say let them take all the HCQ they want, it isn't very dangerous and they'll at least benefit from the placebo effect. Hopefully, they don't get Covid spread it to their families and then discover 1st hand what a "miracle" HCQ is.
            Last edited by balgor; 08-13-2020, 11:44 AM.
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            Learn how to examine your sources and check for fake news or misleading facts.
            https://libguides.royalroads.ca/criticalthinking

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            • #7
              theLBC
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • Oct 2017
              • 6604

              Originally posted by balgor
              OH god another HCQ post. Sure, we have the CDC, FDA, NIH, every academic institution (Yale literally released a letter condemning Risch ), Trump's own experts Fauci, Birx, Grior, Hahn, etc, 7 RCTs, the European versions of the CDC, NIH, FDA versus a small percentage of the medical community motivated by god knows what.

              Obviously nothing will convince the HCQ Evangelicals that is doesn't work. I say let them take all the HCQ they want, it isn't very dangerous and they'll at least benefit from the placebo effect. Hopefully, they don't get Covid spread it to their families and then discover 1st hand what a "miracle" HCQ is.
              why is the death rate so low in 3rd world countries like india that are using HCQ?
              do they have better medical experts than we do?

              and fauci is a scumbag liar. this is proven and on video.
              "masks don't help".
              Last edited by theLBC; 08-13-2020, 11:34 AM.

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              • #8
                balgor
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2011
                • 1553

                Originally posted by theLBC
                why is the death rate so low in 3rd world countries like india that are using HCQ?
                do they have better medical experts than we do?

                and fauci is a scumbag liar. this is proven and on video.
                "masks don't help".
                Been explained many times. India median age 26.8 USA median age 38.2. etc etc etc etc

                Younger people die at a lower rate from Covid. India has a LOT more young people. Therefore, less Indians will die from Covid.

                Their are vast systematic differences between countries besides their usage of HCQ that explain their differences in mortality rates?

                Correlation is not causation: thousands of charts of real data showing actual correlations between ridiculous variables.


                So, LBC what's the latest Q prophecy? Was Kamala running a pedophilia ring out of a pet store in Oakland?
                Last edited by balgor; 08-13-2020, 1:49 PM.
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                Learn how to examine your sources and check for fake news or misleading facts.
                https://libguides.royalroads.ca/criticalthinking

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                • #9
                  five.five-six
                  CGN Contributor
                  • May 2006
                  • 34781

                  Originally posted by CAL.BAR
                  trump

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                  • #10
                    five.five-six
                    CGN Contributor
                    • May 2006
                    • 34781

                    Originally posted by theLBC
                    8 members of the NIH Covid-19 treatment advisory board have significant financial ties to Geliead Sciences.

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                    • #11
                      theLBC
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Oct 2017
                      • 6604

                      Originally posted by balgor
                      Been explained many times. India median age 26.8 USA median age 38.2. etc etc etc etc

                      Younger people die at a lower rate or a lower rate from Covid. India has a LOT more young people. Therefore, less Indians will die from Covid.

                      Their are vast systematic differences between countries besides their usage of HCQ that explain their differences in mortality rates?

                      Correlation is not causation: thousands of charts of real data showing actual correlations between ridiculous variables.


                      So, LBC what's the latest Q prophecy? Was Kamala running a pedophilia ring out of a pet store in Oakland?
                      OMG, you really are that dense. who lays out your outfit for the day?
                      India has 1.5 billion people, so your ignorant median age figure means nothing.
                      they have 525,000,000 over the age of 35, or 1.5x our entire population.

                      cameltoe's sister is taking HCQ.
                      Last edited by theLBC; 08-13-2020, 12:36 PM.

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                      • #12
                        five.five-six
                        CGN Contributor
                        • May 2006
                        • 34781

                        Originally posted by theLBC
                        OMG, you really are that dense. who lays out your outfit for the day?
                        India has 1.5 billion people, so your ignorant median age figure means nothing.
                        they have 525,000,000 over the age of 35, or 1.5x our entire population.

                        cameltoe's sister is taking HCQ.

                        Nice try but you are explaining Ring Theory to penguins.

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                        • #13
                          theLBC
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Oct 2017
                          • 6604

                          Originally posted by five.five-six
                          Nice try but you are explaining Ring Theory to penguins.


                          i hope he doesn't have a real job that affects other people.
                          Last edited by theLBC; 08-13-2020, 12:50 PM.

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                          • #14
                            stonefly-2
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 4993


                            I beg to differ,

                            politics is the single most important factor in this conversation.

                            Positions aside I think we can all recognize the difference between probing

                            intellect focused on problem solving and shilling.

                            Accept what is obvious because "to what end" is the more important question.
                            What do you call the people that abandoned the agenda of John Kennedy and adopted the agenda of Lee Oswald?

                            Pronouns: "Dude" and "Playa".

                            https://billstclair.com/Unintended-Consequences.pdf


                            I was born under a wandrin star.

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                            • #15
                              SAN compnerd
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                              CGN Contributor
                              • May 2009
                              • 4725

                              I shorted GILD a few weeks back with a hunch that remdesvir would not be effective. It's not, but that didn't prevent the media and Gilead from hyping the barely effective treatment in a way that the stock rose after their released the results of the trial in May.

                              I would have gotten a pretty good return if they had been honest, but instead I had to hold the short a bit longer than I would have until it became profitable again. I made a little, but not much due to all the malfeasance of hyping a barely effective supper expensive treatment that requires hospitalization.
                              "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

                              Originally posted by SAN compnerd
                              When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.

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