Good news! USA Covid death growth rate slowing...

[boris badinov]

Nope. It's still not the flu.

Just because your car runs on gas doesnt make it a motorboat.

Just because they use the same cause-of-death criteria for flu and covid doesnt make them the same virus.

You'll get it one day. Not any time soon, but one day.

[boris badinov]

BTW, there hasn't been an influenza in 100 years that crippled national health care systems around the globe-- In an 8 week span, no less.

[five.five-six]

I'm not a physician but I talk like one on the internet...


BE IMPRESSED WITH ME!!!!!!

[boris badinov]

^and yet you can't seem to get enough

Go figure.

[meno377]

Fact:

100% of the reported US Covid19 deaths to date tested positive for the virus.

If someone with heart disease goes into ICU for Covid19, and they die of covid related pneumonia-- it is still counted as a Covid19 death.

Covid19 is the primary cause.
Pneumonia and heart disease may or may not be listed and secondary and tertiary causes of death. (556, "tertiary" means third )


The same applies to the accounting of flu fatalities.

Not true. You can have the virus without symptoms. They have mentioned about how some can pass the virus not knowing they themselves have it.

[boris badinov]

Not true. You can have the virus without symptoms. They have mentioned about how some can pass the virus not knowing they themselves have it.

Were not discussing asymptomatic infections.


We're discussing reported CoVid19 deaths.

100% covid19 deaths are attributed to positive CoVid19 tests. That's just a medical fact.

The asymptomatically infected arent dying of CoVid19. They aren't even part of this discussion.

However, there are many.Covid deaths at arent being counted because the victims die at home without ever having been tested.

[welchy]

Were not discussing asymptomatic infections.





We're discussing reported CoVid19 deaths.



100% covid19 deaths are attributed to positive CoVid19 tests. That's just a medical fact.



The asymptomatically infected arent dying of CoVid19. They aren't even part of this discussion.



However, there are many.Covid deaths at arent being counted because the victims die at home without ever having been tested.

On my local news this morning they said the exact opposite of this.

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[meno377]

Fact:

If someone with heart disease goes into ICU for Covid19, and they die of covid related pneumonia-- it is still counted as a Covid19 death.

Covid19 is the primary cause.
Pneumonia and heart disease may or may not be listed and secondary and tertiary causes of death. (556, "tertiary" means third )


The same applies to the accounting of flu fatalities.

Can you post a source that shows this claim highlighted? That is why I posted earlier. Can they prove that Covid 19 caused pneumonia? There are different causes for pneumonia.

Common Causes of Pneumonia

Viruses, bacteria, and fungi can all cause pneumonia. In the United States, common causes of viral pneumonia are influenza and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). A common cause of bacterial pneumonia is Streptococcus pneumoniae (pneumococcus). However, clinicians are not always able to find out which germ caused someone to get sick with pneumonia.

Community-acquired pneumonia is when someone develops pneumonia in the community (not in a hospital). Healthcare-associated pneumonia is when someone develops pneumonia during or following a stay in a healthcare facility. Healthcare facilities include hospitals, long-term care facilities, and dialysis centers. Ventilator-associated pneumonia is when someone gets pneumonia after being on a ventilator, a machine that supports breathing. The bacteria and viruses that most commonly cause pneumonia in the community are different from those in healthcare settings.

https://www.cdc.gov/pneumonia/causes.html

[boris badinov]

Can you post a source that shows this claim highlighted. That is why I posted earlier. Can they prove that Covid 19 caused pneumonia? There are different causes for pneumonia.



https://www.cdc.gov/pneumonia/causes.html

Its not from a cited source. It's from medical doctors.

If a Covid19 patient goes into ICU ventilation and dies after contracting pneumonia or ARDS, or from cardiac arrest, CoVid19 is the primary cause of death.

[meno377]

Its not from a cited source. It's from medical doctors.

If a Covid19 patient goes into ICU ventilation and dies after contracting pneumonia or ARDS, or from cardiac arrest, CoVid19 is the primary cause of death.

That's not what you posted earlier that I quoted. That earlier post was referring to heart disease.

If someone with heart disease goes into ICU for Covid19, and they die of covid related pneumonia-- it is still counted as a Covid19 death.

Covid19 is the primary cause.
Pneumonia and heart disease may or may not be listed and secondary and tertiary causes of death. (556, "tertiary" means third )


The same applies to the accounting of flu fatalities.

This example above shows that a person who tested positive for Covid19 might not necessarily have symptoms that are a product from the Covid virus. Pneumonia is one symptom that is touted on the news, yet it seems no one has to prove that Covid19 was solely responsible for that.

[boris badinov]

This example above shows that a person who tested positive for Covid19 might not necessarily have symptoms that are a product from the Covid virus. Pneumonia is one symptom that is touted on the news, yet it seems no one has to prove that Covid19 was solely responsible for that.

You are mis-reading what i wrote.

In my example, the patient isn't in the hospital because of heart disease. They are in the hospital for Covid19 symptoms. In ICU they develop pneumonia caused by Covid19 symptoms, then they die. The cause of death is Covid19. Pneumonia is the secondary cause of death.

[meno377]

You are mis-reading what i wrote.

In my example, the patient isn't in the hospital because of heart disease. They are in the hospital for Covid19 symptoms. In ICU they develop pneumonia caused by Covid19 symptoms, then they die. The cause of death is Covid19. Pneumonia is the secondary cause of death.

But that is based IF your WHOLE example is true 100%. You stated this as fact. It's not.

[boris badinov]

If you want to get very technical, people really only die of two things:

Heart failure or lung failure.

It's the underlying causes which determine what is recorded on the death report.

The same cause-of-death criteria are used for all lethal infections. Flu, malaria, covid, cholera, ebola, SARS, MERS, etc.

It's no different for any of the various infections, injuries and maladies that send one into the ICU.

When you die it is because your heart or lungs fail. What leads to these failures is what ends up as your cause of death.

[skirunman]

I was trying to refrain from jumping in to this mess, but here goes.

No one knows if we are under counting or over counting COVID-19 deaths at this time. No reporting for deaths of any kind is 100% accurate. For the yearly flu it is a big estimated guess each year by the CDC, for COVID-19 here are the CDC guidelines.

100% covid19 deaths are attributed to positive CoVid19 tests. That's just a medical fact.

This seems to be false according to the CDC as they are allowing presumed COVID-19 deaths to be counted if no testing is available, which has been reported as being the case in some areas.

However, there are many.Covid deaths at aren't being counted because the victims die at home without ever having been tested.

We only have anecdotal reports on under counting. Probably happening, but likely some over counting as well. We don't know if it is "many", whatever that means. This problem with counting COVID-19 deaths is also the same with the yearly flu or really any respiratory virus as it is the symptoms like pneumonia from the virus that typically kill you. Read the CDC guidelines if you want details. In any case, it is not important if we are undercounting or overcounting some number of deaths at this time.

I'd really suggest that everyone watch this if you have 10 minutes, it is a week+ old, but still worth the time.
Dr. Ioannidis - Stanford University- Why We Don't Have Reliable Data Surrounding COVID-19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUvWaxuurzQ

[boris badinov]

But that is based IF your WHOLE example is true 100%. You stated this as fact. It's not.

My example is 100% true.

If someone dies of pneumonia contracted while in ICU for covid19-- 100% of the time the primary cause of death will be Covid19. Pneumonia will be a secondary cause of death brought on by covid symptoms.

Same with flu, ebola, etc.