870 Express super mag 12g

[bollero]

Are all the trigger housing on the new 870 made of plastic? I'm looking a 12g that shoots 3.5 shells.. But after seeing a 870 this weekend i might buy a different brand.

what year did they start adding plastic parts...

[Carcassonne]

They have had plastic trigger guards for a long time. Maybe 30+ years. The plastic guards are better (more durable) than the metal guards. The plastic will take more punishment than the metal. The metal can bent, and render your trigger useless.

I think the Wingmaster 870 shotguns still have metal trigger guards. Maybe some of the all blued Police shotguns also.


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[powderedtoastman]

I have an 870 super mag that gets pretty beat up, and the plastic trigger guard/group has zero damage to it. I wouldn't worry about it.

[billt]

The much cheaper Express models all have plastic trigger groups. The Wingmaster ,as well as the Police models all still have Aluminum trigger groups, as they always have since they were introduced in the 60's. I'm traditional, and believe the only place for plastic on a shotgun is in the shells.

[aippi]

[QUOTE=Carcassonne;14972974]They have had plastic trigger guards for a long time. Maybe 30+ years. The plastic guards are better (more durable) than the metal guards. The plastic will take more punishment than the metal. The metal can bent, and render your trigger useless.

Correct. Also, there are two plungers in the trigger plate assembly, the hammer plunger and the carrier dog plunger. In the polymer trigger housing these move in polymer channels and need little to no lubrication other then a lite coat for rust protection. In the cast metal they need more oil and oil collects dirt and turns to gunk. So the polymer trigger plate assemblies also work better and stay cleaner.

You are saying you would not want an 870 because of a polymer trigger plate housing so I wonder do you own any Glocks, XD's, M&P's or any other guns with polymer frames?

[billt]

They have had plastic trigger guards for a long time. Maybe 30+ years. The plastic guards are better (more durable) than the metal guards. The plastic will take more punishment than the metal. The metal can bent, and render your trigger useless.

This is a complete total falsehood. The reason Mossberg created the 590 A-1 Military Combat Shotgun with a metal trigger guard, as well as a metal safety switch, is because the military demanded it for strength. If they thought plastic was better and stronger they would have adopted the 500. They didn't.

[billt]

You are saying you would not want an 870 because of a polymer trigger plate housing so I wonder do you own any Glocks, XD's, M&P's or any other guns with polymer frames?

Bad analogy. Not the same thing by a long shot. The polymer used in Glock and S&W Polymer pistol frames is NOT the anywhere near the same material Remington and Mossberg uses in their trigger groups. If you doubt that try hitting both trigger guards with a hammer and see which one fails.

[boltmopar]

This is a complete total falsehood. The reason Mossberg created the 590 A-1 Military Combat Shotgun with a metal trigger guard, as well as a metal safety switch, is because the military demanded it for strength. If they thought plastic was better and stronger they would have adopted the 500. They didn't.

Actually they do. I never saw a 590 or a 870 when I was deployed. The only shotgun that was ever issued to me or my unit were 500s in various configurations.

[aippi]

Yes, it is the same and just as strong. Also, there is polymer used in all kinds of Military issue weapons and gear. I have plenty of 870's and upgraded all of them with the polymer trigger plate assembly for all the reason I gave in my post and a few more I did not. At some point in your life you are going to have get over the word Plastic as the polymers of today are not the same as the toys "Made in Hong Kong" that we grew up with.

[billt]

Yes, it is the same and just as strong. Also, there is polymer used in all kinds of Military issue weapons and gear. I have plenty of 870's and upgraded all of them with the polymer trigger plate assembly for all the reason I gave in my post and a few more I did not. At some point in your life you are going to have get over the word Plastic as the polymers of today are not the same as the toys "Made in Hong Kong" that we grew up with.

That is simply hearsay along with your opinion, and does not explain why the military insisted on metal trigger guards and safety switches on all of the 590 A-1's they ordered. They also insisted on things like heavy walled barrels. If plastic, or polymer, or whatever you want to tag it with, was in fact stronger on these parts, they would have ordered it. They didn't. They ordered METAL.

Also remember they rejected Mag-Pul polymer P-Mags as well. The reason was they had problems in combat with them. Yet every mall ninja at ARFCOM will rant and rave about them. The military rejects these things for a reason.

[powderedtoastman]

That is simply hearsay along with your opinion, and does not explain why the military insisted on metal trigger guards and safety switches on all of the 590 A-1's they ordered. They also insisted on things like heavy walled barrels. If plastic, or polymer, or whatever you want to tag it with, was in fact stronger on these parts, they would have ordered it. They didn't. They ordered METAL.

Also remember they rejected Mag-Pul polymer P-Mags as well. The reason was they had problems in combat with them. Yet every mall ninja at ARFCOM will rant and rave about them. The military rejects these things for a reason.

Yes, they always have a reason but not always the right one. Just because the military wanted metal trigger housings on a shotgun does not make all 870's with "plastic" trigger housings junk. Get over it.

[jkgts1]

I know Brownells sells the metal police trigger group for the 870 for a little over $100. Even though I have never had an issue with the plastic one I think the metal would be a good upgrade. I feel metal will always be strong than plastic. Obviously if you have very thin metal, yeah of course it will bend. I remember hearing the military requires at least metal reinforcement on mads for it to be considered for use.

[aippi]

This video proves that the polymer trigger plate assembly is stronger then the Cast Aluminum one that seems to be in debate here.

Click on this link and in the top right hand of the page scroll down in the video section and click on the trigger guard video.

http://ruger.com/products/1022Carbine/extras.html

Any Questions?

[billt]

Yes, they always have a reason but not always the right one. Just because the military wanted metal trigger housings on a shotgun does not make all 870's with "plastic" trigger housings junk. Get over it.

I never said they were "junk". I have no need to "get over" anything. I can accept the FACT metal is stronger than plastic. The military agrees with that FACT. The only "getting over" that seems to be in order here is your persistent ignorance of what everyone else accepts as common knowledge.

[powderedtoastman]

I never said they were "junk". I have no need to "get over" anything. I can accept the FACT metal is stronger than plastic. The military agrees with that FACT. The only "getting over" that seems to be in order here is your persistent ignorance of what everyone else accepts as common knowledge.

Lol