Vepr 12 questions

[Steve_In_29]

105+ extra to oder from them (75 transfer + 30 shipping)

Thats why I asked for a LOCAL VENDOR

I have seen these (or possibly Saigas) at Turner's fairly recently, no idea on the price though.

PC, I thought you were moving out of Cali to Washington State? Why not just buy one up there without any of the Cali BS restrictions?

[problemchild]

I have seen these (or possibly Saigas) at Turner's fairly recently, no idea on the price though.

PC, I thought you were moving out of Cali to Washington State? Why not just buy one up there without any of the Cali BS restrictions?

We are. There were only 1,000 of these made and they will sell out quick. My guess is turners would ask 1400 for a gun sold for 799 elsewhere. I checked local turners and they had none.

[mrfat]

We are. There were only 1,000 of these made and they will sell out quick. My guess is turners would ask 1400 for a gun sold for 799 elsewhere. I checked local turners and they had none.

I think they were $1299. Even with transfer fee and shipping it will still be about at least $200 cheaper than buying through a LGS. OR at least the LGS stores around here since I haven't seen a single one selling for under $1k.

[munkeeboi]

agreed. The only vendors selling this for $799 have been the volume dealers from out of state. Even if socal vendors bought at a slight discount from these vendors, I doubt their pricing would match what it would cost to just buy it for $799 and transfer it in.

not sure if any vendors's will ship without the pistol grip detached and bolt/carrier removed, but that's another option of you are moving out of state soon and will save you the $45 BB. Your FFL will also have to be OK with receiving the vepr without a BB and just the PG and Bolt/carrier removed.

[alks207]

I don't understand what the dilemma is. You don't want to buy the Vepr 12 ($500 discount) for $799 because of the $45 bullet button? Keep checking here: http://www.classiccityfirearms.com/i...detail&p=24185
They are selling the Vepr 12s for $765. They are also CA friendly

[kalieracer]

Only a 07 should get a gun in parts and convert it Most FFL's are 01 . Plus getting semi auto shotguns with a PG is a pain in the *** from out of state.

agreed. The only vendors selling this for $799 have been the volume dealers from out of state. Even if socal vendors bought at a slight discount from these vendors, I doubt their pricing would match what it would cost to just buy it for $799 and transfer it in.

not sure if any vendors's will ship without the pistol grip detached and bolt/carrier removed, but that's another option of you are moving out of state soon and will save you the $45 BB. Your FFL will also have to be OK with receiving the vepr without a BB and just the PG and Bolt/carrier removed.

[problemchild]

I don't understand what the dilemma is. You don't want to buy the Vepr 12 ($500 discount) for $799 because of the $45 bullet button? Keep checking here: http://www.classiccityfirearms.com/i...detail&p=24185
They are selling the Vepr 12s for $765. They are also CA friendly

No because of the $105 fee (30 freight + $75 transfer)

If a local vendor has them for 799 then I want to buy it from them. UGH!

[Steve_In_29]

Uhhhh

You need a new calculator. The price at Atlantic with BB is $874.00 (includes shipping) and then 75 from your dealer + TAX $72 tax + DROS and you are more like $1,050

Shop around for a more mail order friendly dealer. My local FFL will do it for $75 INCLUDING the DROS fee. Another (since moved) would do it for just the DROS fee.

Some FFLS are also flexible on the "tax" part as they have no idea what you paid for the weapon. If for instance you state you paid $500 for the weapon then that's what they collect tax on.

[bigbully]

I'm not sure I see what your hesitation to buy it from Atlantic is. I've bought from them a number of times without issue. They are a great company to deal with and you can layaway for up to 45 days.

You won't find a local vendor at their price. $799 is a sale price from $999. If you could find it local then it would probably be more than the regular price. The bullet button from Atlantic is not expensive. $45 is the regular price of the solar tactical BB that they use so they are putting it on for free labor. The folding stock is welded from the factory to comply with "sporting use" imports restrictions so there's no hassle there.

$75 is not the only rate out there for long gun transfers. There are plenty of threads here listing cheaper FFL transfer fees. You can find an FFL to transfer in OC for as low as $20. You will have to pay tax whether you buy it local or not, but better to pay tax on $799 then $999 or more.

Atlantic --> $799 + 9%tax + $30 ship + $45 BB + $20 to $75 transfer fee + $25 DROS= $990 to $1045.91
Local--> $999 (or more) + 9%tax + $25 DROS + $5 dealer fee = $1118.91 or more

I've been doing a lot of research cause I have one on layaway now with Atlantic so here's what I can offer to your questions:

1.) Its legal in CA right? Yes, provided you have a bullet button and fixed stock.
2.) Can the folding stock gun be replaced with the fixed wooden stock? No. The folding stock model has a different receiver. It's a slant back receiver based on the RPK. However, if you get the wood stock model with square back receiver then you can switch to any standard AK stock including a folding stock (although it must be fixed to open position.) Both models have adapters available to use AR type collapsible receivers. However, collapsing stocks on a shotgun must also be fixed (pinned usually). The slant back version is only available from russiansurplus.net and they are OOS
3.) Can the folder be fixed or returned to folder? You cannot undo the weld to make it fold in CA. Only in free states.
4.) Is the folding stock receiver different then the fixed receiver? Yes, see #2
5.) Does the gun come in an 18 inch or short barrel? Not in US. The folding stock model is 19" barrel and the wood stock model is a little over 22". Anything shorter than 18" is subject to NFA rules and is either an AOW or SBS. AOW and SBS are highly restricted in CA. However, you could have the barrel cut down to approx. 16.5" and have the muzzle break pinned/welded to reach 18".
6.) Does the brake help recoil or is it just for looks? I imagine it does help, but consider that adding a brake or other muzzle attachment will trigger 922r regulations cause it's no longer "sporting." Magazines over 5 rounds will also trigger 922r. That means you will need to change out multiple parts for US parts to get the total foreign part count down to 10.
(For those in free states, defeating the stock weld also triggers 922r rules.)

To be 922r compliant you will need to change out 5 parts. If you add a muzzle break you need to change 6 parts. Choices available are:

US mag counts as 3 parts
trigger group counts as 3 parts
piston puck is 1 part
stock is 1 part
grip is 1 part
muzzle brake is 1 part (but adds a part that wasn't there before hence the 6th part)
forearm is 1 part

Most people go with US mags or trigger group plus grip and piston puck. Popular choices include:

MD Arms Molot grip clone
CSS Piston Puck
CSS Tromix modified trigger group
US version of GK-01 brake and you will need the lock nut.
Chaos Quad Rail Forearm (OOS everywhere. I was able to snag one from Saiga-12.com store, but there was only 2 and they are OOS now.)

FYI: centerfiresystems.com has the wood stock version available, but you will have to convince them to let you send them a bullet button to put on.

[bigbully]

Some FFLS are also flexible on the "tax" part as they have no idea what you paid for the weapon. If for instance you state you paid $500 for the weapon then that's what they collect tax on.

For the most part, the vendors ship the invoice with the gun so the dealer will know exactly how much you paid. If not they look up the value. I've never heard of a dealer asking the customer how much they paid. Lots of room for dishonesty there. Has this actually happened to you?

[jdben92883]

I wish I only spent $1050 for mine.

[alks207]

Classiccityfirearms charge $21 to ship and $15 for the correct Vepr12 bullet button. My local FFL - parallax tactical charges $60 for the transfer and dros. 765 + 21 + 15 + 60 = $861

[Steve_In_29]

For the most part, the vendors ship the invoice with the gun so the dealer will know exactly how much you paid. If not they look up the value. I've never heard of a dealer asking the customer how much they paid. Lots of room for dishonesty there. Has this actually happened to you?

None of the guns I have bought had the price on the invoice in the box the FFL received. Yes I have had an FFL tell me since he had no idea what I paid he would go with what I told him and of course I was totally honest.

Just like on a car, looking up MSRP on a gun has no bearing on what someone might have actually paid for it.

[bigbully]

None of the guns I have bought had the price on the invoice in the box the FFL received. Yes I have had an FFL tell me since he had no idea what I paid he would go with what I told him and of course I was totally honest.

Just like on a car, looking up MSRP on a gun has no bearing on what someone might have actually paid for it.

Interesting. My invoices always have the price. Just lucky I guess. Who's your dealer so I can start going there LOL!

[hermosabeach]

Follow the flowchart.

3. The folder is welded. It can only be folded if the overall length of the shotgun in it's shortest configuration is 30 inches


If a semi auto shotgun has a pistol grip and a folding stock, then it hits the AW restriction in ca.