pump pistol grip

[KeepYourChange]

hey first time user...

i am hearing alot of talk on this subject. some say nay an some say its ok.i have been wondering about the regulations on a 12gauge.i know the barrel has to be 18" an up and overall is 26".but i want to know for sure and i tried looking at sites but they were outdated on information,so i wasnt sure if anything had changed in the recent years.is a pistol grip legal on a pump shotgun that has an 18" barrel and 26" overall length??? and if someone could provide the web page reguarding this info

answers are much obliged

[DFence]

Yes

[CWDraco]

I am going to use large sized font in an attempt to stop unnecessary posts, since I do not want to keep looking at the thread to see nothing relivant to the issue. I am also adding
I am not saying it makes a pistol, that was solved in the first 4 minutes of this thread. to every one of my post to stop this diversion from the real issue I am warning the OP about.


1- Once you remove the shoulder stock, its no longer a shotgun as per the BATFE.

2- The only reason a smooth bore shotgun isnt a DD is because the law on DDs says a shotgun is excluded.

3- This discrepancy was brought up to the BATFE. They stated the requirement of a sporting purpose is essential to avoiding your non-shotgun smooth bore with a greater than 1/2 inch bore from being classified a DD.

4- It doesn't matter what you bought or what you think you have, a flare gun, a bottle of wine, a lamp, if it meets the statutory definition of a DD, that's what it is.

5- I am the only one to post actual laws showing this to be true.

6- None of you have shown any actual documents showing this isnt true.

It is my understanding as long as it doesnt have two pistol grips its ok. The Magpul AFG is not considered a pistol grip by BATFE.

CA only regulates semi-auto shotguns and those with revolving cylinders on top of what you already know.

So my opinion is with a regular rifle stock a VFG or AFG is fine. With a rear pistol grip, no shoulder stock, a AFG is fine.

With a rear pistol grip no shoulder stock a VFG is an AOW which requires a tax stamp. I could be wrong. EDIT- I cannot find any info saying this is correct.

So now you know what to look for in the code, duel pistol grips on a non-semiauto.


EDIT- the BATFE has stated a shotgun converted to just a pistol grip is no longer a shotgun. All legal protections given to "shotguns" for other classifications is lost after you do this. When asked if this places the device into the destructive device class of firearms, they only pointed to a "sporting purpose" as a requirement to keep it out of that classification. This is California, its your call what you do. Many people have done it.

[DFence]

It is my understanding as long as it doesnt have two pistol grips its ok. The Magpul AFG is not considered a pistol grip by BATFE.

CA only regulates semi-auto shotguns and those with revolving cylinders on top of what you already know.

So my opinion is with a regular rifle stock a VFG or AFG is fine. With a rear pistol grip a AFG is fine. With a rear pistol grip a VFG is an AOW which requires a tax stamp. I could be wrong.

So now you know what to look for in the code, duel pistol grips on a non-semiauto.

And the award for the most confusing post goes too.....

[56Chevy]

It is my understanding as long as it doesnt have two pistol grips its ok. The Magpul AFG is not considered a pistol grip by BATFE.

CA only regulates semi-auto shotguns and those with revolving cylinders on top of what you already know.

So my opinion is with a regular rifle stock a VFG or AFG is fine. With a rear pistol grip a AFG is fine. With a rear pistol grip a VFG is an AOW which requires a tax stamp. I could be wrong.

So now you know what to look for in the code, duel pistol grips on a non-semiauto.

You can have both a rear and a forward pistol grip on a pump shotgun. Just be sure that the barrel length is 18"+ and that the overall length is 26"+.

[TKM]

There is a fine selection of new shooters using pistol grip shotguns on Youtube.

Don't be one of them.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

There is a fine selection of new shooters using pistol grip shotguns on Youtube.

Don't be one of them.

Yup. Too many new shooters with a 12ga and a pistol grip will raise the shotgun and "attempt" to aim it as if it had a shoulder stock... BOOM it comes right back in your face. So sad.

[56Chevy]

Yup. Too many new shooters with a 12ga and a pistol grip will raise the shotgun and "attempt" to aim it as if it had a shoulder stock... BOOM it comes right back in your face. So sad.

That's what fixodent is for!

[CWDraco]

I am not saying it makes a pistol, or the sale requires an AOW stamp, that was solved in the first 4 minutes of this thread.


So you are saying two pistol grips are not an AOW, nice to know.

the reason I say this is,
US Code 921

(5) The term "shotgun" means a weapon designed or redesigned,
made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and
designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an
explosive to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball
shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.

and



5845(e)

(e) Any other weapon
The term "any other weapon" means any weapon or device capable of
being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged
through the energy of an explosive,
- a pistol or revolver having a
barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed
shotgun shell,
-weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels
12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a
single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual
reloading,
-and shall include any such weapon which may be readily
restored to fire.
-Such term shall not include a pistol or a
revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons
designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not
capable of firing fixed ammunition.

I researched the BATFE website and found no rulings either way. No letters saying it was OK, and no letters saying it was not.

So I would like one of you guys saying its ok to show me why it is. Just because some guy on youtube has one isnt good enough. There are guys making homemade silencers on there too. Just a quick link with a letter or ruling saying will be good.

Thank You.

[DFence]

So you are saying two pistol grips are not an AOW, nice to know.

As long as the barrel is over 18" and the overall is over 26", on a pump shotgun yes.

[CWDraco]

As long as the barrel is over 18" and the overall is over 26", on a pump shotgun yes.

can you show me a link to that

[DFence]

can you show me a link to that

Nah

[CWDraco]

Nah

That's the problem. I just provided a link showing you its illegal. So why should I believe you guys when you say it isn't.

[DFence]

That's the problem. I just provided a link showing you its illegal. So why should I believe you guys when you say it isn't.

You shouldn't. I don't believe anyone on a forum for legal advise. I do my own research. "Hence why I won't provide the link"

Just cuz some guy on CalGuns said so doesn't make it 100% accurate.

Not to mention the OP never asked about 2 pistol grips, so way off topic.

[DFence]

Oh and if you really must know, just because you put a pistol grip on a shotgun and take off the shoulder stock, doesn't make it a pistol.

Everything you noted above is in regards to pistol or smooth bore pistol.