Screwed over

[NameNotTaken]

Johnnyringos claims of getting screwed are a little exaggerated to say the least. We are the dealer that had that firearm and one of our guys made an honest mistake listing the item on gunbroker. He used an old listing and relisted it as a fixed price but it should have been an auction with the price as the starting price. If you’ve sold on gunbroker you know that you can’t change the method from fixed price to auction when relisting an item which he didn’t realize. So with the mistake it sold before someone could see the mistake and correct it. So Robert/Johnnyringo called us and at that time I personally tried to explain it was a mistake but he wasn’t having any of that. He started getting abusive and demanded to speak to the owner/manager well to his surprise he had been speaking with me all along.
We’ve all seen the crazies at the Walmart customer counter and other places like that where the customers are acting a fool. For some reason we’ve grown to tolerate that in our society.
On the charge of price gouging I'm not sure how that applies, when you sell something at auction you allow the buyer to determine the price and its not like we put a gun to anyone’s head, we dont even know the internet buyers. With the corrupt politicians trying to ban all these guns along with the manufacturers not being able to meet the demand prices will go up. If as consumers we don’t understand that it’s the simple supply and demand curve we need to read an economic book maybe one from Milton Freidman would be a good start.
As a buyer does anyone realize the fact that when our stores are bare and inventory is nonexistent like right now that our overhead continues, employee wages are still there. Landlords aren’t coming in and saying oh don’t worry about it because rents free until you can get product in to sell whenever that is. The electric, phone & water company still sends you bills and they don’t care. As a result of this frenzy it will undoubtedly cause many local gun shops to close.
We would love to be able to sell guns under cost because of a mistake but I don’t know how you do that Johnnyringo…..A gun that we can’t even get at a price close to that. Honest mistakes will happen from time to time….
And Johnnyringo we are not a pawnbroker, dont try to make us out to be something that what we are not, making these false characterizations trying to demonize us. We are just a small business struggling in this Obama economy.

With all that info I still look at this way. If you were not willing to sell it a the starting price why even list it at that starting price? Don't list something at a below willing to sell price to bait people into looking or bidding if you aren't willing to sell it at said low price if the sale doesn't go up as you had hoped. I understand mistakes are made but you had to have listed a starting price and if that was below what your desired minimum acceptance price was then that is on you and you should eat the sale at the price sold. Just sayn.

P.S. Reading this guys replies I have to call BS on it being the true seller/business owner. No one that owns a business and wants it to succeed is this much of an *** are they? It seems like this person here is trying to drive the business into the ground. If admin here can look up the IP addresses for both the parties involved here we could get to some sort of truth. If they both are here in Cali or the same/vicinity we have our answer.

[Rule .308]

I'm sorry, I have to agree with MoneySolutions on this one. I ran my own auto repair business for many years and have been in similar situations and fortunately my customer base, for the most part, were understanding and ethical.

The situation would be entirely different if the seller was not honoring the deal because he had a better offer elsewhere, not the case. A mistake was made, just that simple, get over it and move on.

Somebody made a mistake, and because they made a mistake you expect them to not only not turn a profit on it but to loose money on it. Right is right and wrong is wrong, and doing this is wrong. You are reaching into this guy's pocket and taking money out of it, not right, period.

[X231]

Someone posted that Turner's was selling the shotgun for $799 so MoneySolutions may have lost money on the "mistake" he made but not all that much. Some people put a small price on their integrity. Mine's worth way more than $50 to me.

[In Awe]

I'm sorry, I have to agree with MoneySolutions on this one. I ran my own auto repair business for many years and have been in similar situations and fortunately my customer base, for the most part, were understanding and ethical.

The situation would be entirely different if the seller was not honoring the deal because he had a better offer elsewhere, not the case. A mistake was made, just that simple, get over it and move on.

Somebody made a mistake, and because they made a mistake you expect them to not only not turn a profit on it but to loose money on it. Right is right and wrong is wrong, and doing this is wrong. You are reaching into this guy's pocket and taking money out of it, not right, period.

WRONG, repair is an estimate.

If you were SELLING a car the price advertised is the price you pay.

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[kb58]

I got screwed over on Gunroker.com by a dealer FFL out of Louisville, KY. I bought a saiga 12 shotgun a few weeks ago. He accepted my buy now bid for $759.00. Then he sent me a acceptance email the next day. He then called me and said, "No, I can't sell you this gun. The price was a mistake". I called him on it and he became arguementative, swearing at me. He told me to go to walmart. NICE guy! Buyer beware of "Money solutions". His company is Auctions ASAP. He's a glorified pawnbroker. Scammer! ANYWAY, I am looking for a saiga 12 at a resaonable price. Good luck I guess. let me know. I emailed Gunbroker about the complaint. Good luck with that too. Im sooooo pissed! Price gouging.

Have to quote the OP because the thread's gone off the tracks. Anyhow, so the guy said the price was a mistake. Per your post you've "decided" that they said so because they wanted more money. You "decided" that it's all because of the run-up in prices. You "decided" that it's a bad business...

... all based upon opinion - where are the facts? Proof that these evil-doers did this on purpose.

[sgvxdave]

wow, yes please rethink your policy to sell to California residents over this one thread.
Great business decision!

keep digging buddy b/c before you know it, this thread will get over 10k views.

[Diskrete]

I wonder if the seller posting here is real...

I still fail to see the argument that the OP is attempting to profit from the sellers mistake. the 10% you claim to make on each sale is already factored in as it was a previous sale, you would be losing nothing. We get that stock is flying off the shelves, that means new stock is also coming in aswell, doesn't it? you just can't keep it on the shelves long enough to keep in stock til you get the next shipment which can be weeks to months now, what you fail to see here is a mistake was made that would not COST YOU anything as the seller to honor the sale price and in fact you would still cover your 10+% that is needed to operate. The saiga that was relisted was initially enough to cover your cost + overhead. how is it different now? remember in your answer that you are most likely posting these the day after they arrive in your shop, it would make sense if you said they sat there for months on end and were worth more to you for overhead and storage, when in fact you already said you cant keep stock and are waiting on vendors to deliver. We all know you're making record profits the last two months and you wont budge on making only 10% on one sale to keep your word. thank you for your responses as this has been an entertaining thread to watch you bury yourself in. it's truly entertaining.

[loophole]

thank you for your responses as this has been an entertaining thread to watch you bury yourself in. it's truly entertaining.

I offered to sell him a new shovel some time ago.

I think I'd better warm up the backhoe instead..........

[BIGDJG]

I 2nd that about people on here, in the last week alone I've had 3 people back out of agreed prices for stuff after someone else offered them more... It's always surprising what people do to make a profit

Same here ,told it was mine a the price we aggread to and terms,Gave him what he asked for ,then a hour later , I got a better offer ,I told him go to gun broker if he wanted a bidding war.

[BretByron]

link to the original listing or it never happened!!!!!

[gun toting monkeyboy]

As much as I think this was an honest mistake, I still think that the buyer is in the right here. The seller posted it at that price, the buyer agreed to pay the price. It was a contract. I was under the impression that that was legally binding. Yes it was a mistake, but it wasn't the buyer's mistake, and he shouldn't be the one getting hosed here. Your employee, acting as your agent in the sale, listed it that way. The buyer, in good faith, accepted the price, and was willing to pay it. You are out of luck. It sucks, but that happens. Coming on here and trying to rationalize your reasons for breaching the contract doesn't help. It is your place, as the seller, to follow through on the contract. Even if it is a loss for you. Otherwise, the buyer will suffer the loss, through your actions. And that isn't right. I understand that you run a business. And that taking a loss like this hurts. But ultimately it is time for you to put on your big boy pants and deal with it. If anybody is to blame for this, it is your employee. Not the buyer. And since he is YOUR employee, it is YOUR responsibility to fix it.

-Mb

[n2stackin]

[SDM44]

All that I'm seeing/reading here is that the GB seller Money Solutions runs his business & auctions like a scam artist.

I buy & sell many things on GB, so I know how it works. The defensive replies & bully like tactics from Money Solutions just proves what type of people they really are.

[Coyotegunner]

I am with n2stackin at this time

[SdBoltz]

Wow I find it Ironic that his name is "Money Solutions" because he potentially created a monetary problem for himself by crapping all over possible customers.

My $.02.... you listed the price incorrectly (too low) You contact the buyer and inform him that you listed it too low in error but since you're an honest and kind business man you will honor YOUR mistake and sell it to him at the reduced price. All you ask in return is he keeps you in mind the next time he buys anything gun related.

Viola... then what happens is the excited and thankful buyer comes onto Calguns and gives RAVING reviews of this awesome buyer he encountered on Gunbroker and you in turn sell many more weapons to an even wider audience and quickly regain the few bucks you lost on the selling of that one item.

Regadless of who is right or wrong in this... You sure blew that chance.