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[chillincody]

In the dark, how do you tell the difference between a thief and your wife/gf/drunk friend that you forgot was sleeping over?

Nobody says you turn on the flashlight and wave it around like a beacon, it's used to identify a threat/innocent bystander. Hence why many tactical lights have the pressure switch, you only need to use it sparingly.

If its truly light enough for you to see inside your house in the dark, remember that it goes both ways. Why would you not want the option of also having a temporary blinding light at your disposal?

THIS ^^ its all about light disapline ,shining a high power light into the BG face will make it harder for him to fight back (ever been in a dark room when all of a sudden a bright light comes on? ) takes a few seconds for your eyes to adjust thats why I have a light with my HD gun.

[mandor]

because i can't see so well in the dark

[C.W.M.V.]

Ya my house is pitch dark, go figure its dark at night with the lights off.

[mcmikeblues7]

I have no idea why you keep making these assumptions or where you get them from. Of course you would have no idea if he is trying to kill you or not and yes of course you would hope he is unarmed and he runs away. But if he isn't you must be prepared. First you assume the burglars intent is to kill (sounds more like an assassin) then your assume he has no intent to harm? You seem to lean towards one extreme or another. It is impossible to know an intruders intents. Please stop thread crapping.

again, if you do not have a round in the chamber, and the burglar has malicious intent, you're not in a great situation. So why not have a round in the chamber? How do you know he is a burglar? is everyone breaking in your home a burglar? he might very well be an "assassin" though i do not believe that is the right word. And how do you know that he has malicious or non-malicious intent if you do not have a light????
Not thread crapping, just don't want to see a fellow calgunner get murdered in his own home.

[d33pt]

i dunno about all you commandos, but if i'm certain that there is someone in my house at night, i would hole up in my bedroom and cover the door with the shotgun while calling the cops. i would NOT be clearing the house unless i needed to go to another room if i had kids. if that was the case, i would hole up in their room.

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

i dunno about all you commandos, but if i'm certain that there is someone in my house at night, i would hole up in my bedroom and cover the door with the shotgun while calling the cops. i would NOT be clearing the house unless i needed to go to another room if i had kids. if that was the case, i would hole up in their room.

Here's the real answer. I've been trained to clear buildings and I won't clear my house alone unless there is NO alternative.

Even then, I want a light on my HD weapon, whatever it is. If I think I have to shoot someone, I damn well want to see who it is BEFORE I make an irrevocable decision.

[knucklehead0202]

what it comes down to, is no matter what an intruder's intention, they'll most likely crap their pants hearing a pump shotgun racked. anyone who's gonna break in somewhere knows wtf that sound is, which is why it's a great "deterrent". the idea is not to have to blow somebody in half and mess up your home, but to get them out of it. i don't care if they never get caught because they'll think a long time before breaking in anywhere else. that brown stain on their undies will be a good reminder. as it stand, i like the idea of a weapon light, but if you've always got some ambient light, you really don't need it, unless they're hiding under your bed like the boogie man. barring that, it'd be good to be able to identify, but bear in mind you're also identifying yourself. no doubt mostly mall ninjas expounding on the virtues of weapon lights, or people who've "trained" for these things, but how many have actually done it for realsies? sure we'll get a few claims, about 50% may be close to true. good for a laugh either way.

[MXRider]

Why do people keep repeating the rack of a pump shotgun will make an intruder cowering in fear? It's incredibly stupid, and not a sound argument, and it might get you killed.

Your goal in coming out on top in a home invasion isn't to scare the intruder, it is to stop the threat as quickly and effectively as possible. Stop repeating the same old bull****, take some proper training classes, and learn to be effective with your weapon. I don't want a "scared" intruder in my house who knows my position because I gave it away. I want the piece of **** bleeding out on the floor, his last thoughts running through his mind is he picked the wrong house.

Anything less is a failure on my part.

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[Ldo]

Why do people keep repeating the rack of a pump shotgun will make an intruder cowering in fear? It's incredibly stupid, and not a sound argument, and it might get you killed.

Your goal in coming out on top in a home invasion isn't to scare the intruder, it is to stop the threat as quickly and effectively as possible. Stop repeating the same old bull****, take some proper training classes, and learn to be effective with your weapon. I don't want a "scared" intruder in my house who knows my position because I gave it away. I want the piece of **** bleeding out on the floor, his last thoughts running through his mind is he picked the wrong house.

Anything less is a failure on my part.

I just became a gun owner recently, and I sure hope that I will never have your shoot-first mindset.

[MXRider]

I just became a gun owner recently, and I sure hope that I will never have your shoot-first mindset.

Someone broke into your house, you identified the threat using your weapon light, you meet the threat with force and end the threat, you and your family are safe.

This is why its so important to be proficient with your weapon, and have the right mindset and training to react properly in a stressful and life threatening situation. Your home is your castle.

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[myk]

And I agree with that, but this IS California. The rights of the criminal are just as important if not more important than the victim's rights. I would hole up and call the police, weapon pointed at the door. If the intruder escalates the situation and directly assaults me, I would decide that my life is in immediate danger and blow the POS in half. Honestly, I think I'd rather get killed than deal with a lawsuit or some sort of legal action against me because of this ***-backwards state...

[C.W.M.V.]

I just became a gun owner recently, and I sure hope that I will never have your shoot-first mindset.

Go do some time on a two way rifle range and you WILL get the same mindset.

[cindynles]

Why do people keep repeating the rack of a pump shotgun will make an intruder cowering in fear? It's incredibly stupid, and not a sound argument, and it might get you killed.

Because they saw it on TV or in a movie. I don't think most people realize where this came from. Pump shotguns used by the police for many years (870, 590, even Ithaca 37) were carried in the police car "cruiser ready". This condition is with the mag full and the hammer down on an empty chamber. Because of this, the first thing you do when you deploy the shotgun is to rack the slide. So of course this is shown over, and over, and over again on TV.

What no one realizes is that the reason pump shotguns were/are carried "cruiser ready" is that these shotguns don't have a drop safety, a firing pin safety, or a sear blocking safety. They only have the trigger block safety.

You rack the slide to load the gun. The only reason the gun is not loaded is because of the possibility of accidental discharge if it is dropped/falls.

[rgray]

I do agree. However I would argue that 95 percent of burglars will run if confronted. I was just trying to get the point across that burglars are not breaking in to murder you nor should they be viewed an non-violent. But very good point.

I am not sure of the statistic you quoted but there are more and more home invasion type incidents being reported in the Sac area now than I have ever seen. As others have stated, if someone makes entry into your home, you must assume they are there to cause you harm. Even if the bad guy had no intention, being confronted by you might change that. You don't know him, his past criminal history, if this is a third strike, etc. A weapon light is a must. You must be able to identify your target and what made you believe your life was in danger (you saw a weapon because you had a light). We use them in law enforcement for a reason, and you would be wise to add one on your HD weapon.

[AAShooter]

If you think the intruder will crap his pants at the racking of a shotgun, he is really going to be surprised when the first thing he hears is the shotgun fired.