Saiga 12 for trap

[Hallz]

when I was looking to buy my Saiga I saw a lot of people bad mouthing the Saiga for trap/skeet shooting. Despite the negative comments I bought it anyway.
I am happy to report that I did not find this to be true at all! My first time on the line I was 5/5 and over 80% for the day. For now I'll chalk it up to beginners luck.

There was one disadvantage I did notice, reloading! Releasing the mag and reloading does take more time. But no issues with cycling even cheap target loads or accuracy!
A few mags are a must!!!

[BigDogatPlay]

What trap range is letting you load more than two shells, and for doubles at that, that you need to have a bunch of extra mags?

Just curious.

[NorCalK9.com]

I wish i had a saiga 12.
But my legacy semi auto went 4/5 in my back yard and ive never shot clays before.
Heres a pic.

http://i.imgur.com/X5Ki3.jpg

[ysr_racer]

You can pound a nail with a golf club, but that doesn't make it a hammer.

[NorCalK9.com]

@ysrracer.
Whats that mean?
Is the saiga not a shotgun?

[WDE91]

@ysrracer.
Whats that mean?
Is the saiga not a shotgun?

Its pretty obvious
yes the Saiga is a shotgun
just like a Remington 870 AOW with a 12" barrel is a "shotgun"

use the right tool for the job
there are certain tools that are more capable at being used for multiple things

and maybe for the OP the Saiga is his multi tool
I would find the Saiga to be rude crude and cumbersome trying to shoot trap with
lots of extra movement

[Hallz]

Its pretty obvious
yes the Saiga is a shotgun
just like a Remington 870 AOW with a 12" barrel is a "shotgun"

use the right tool for the job
there are certain tools that are more capable at being used for multiple things

and maybe for the OP the Saiga is his multi tool
I would find the Saiga to be rude crude and cumbersome trying to shoot trap with
lots of extra movement

I get were you are comming from. Luckly I was at a public shooting area with the convenience of falily and friends willing to waite a few seconds to pop the mag every change in shooters to load, if restricted to 2...... It would not be fun!!!!

I can deffinetly see the advantages of other SG's. This was more for the na sayers flapping their gums about the acuracy of S12's.

Even if there was no bullet button, it is a lot of extra motion and possible delay. I may end up with another auto loading SG after all.
Next time I'll take my pump and possibly the S12 with a holographic site.

[KWalkerM]

I get were you are comming from. Luckly I was at a public shooting area with the convenience of falily and friends willing to waite a few seconds to pop the mag every change in shooters to load, if restricted to 2...... It would not be fun!!!!

I can deffinetly see the advantages of other SG's. This was more for the na sayers flapping their gums about the acuracy of S12's.

Even if there was no bullet button, it is a lot of extra motion and possible delay. I may end up with another auto loading SG after all.
Next time I'll take my pump and possibly the S12 with a holographic site.

Dont listen to the naysayers, bring it out all the time. I shoot tuesday nights with my buddies and one of us always brings some unwieldy terrible trap shooting shotgun in addition to our regular pieces. My buddy has a saiga 12 he brings that or a tac'ed out shortbarreled 870. i bring my .410 rossi circuit judge that overall is barely 26 inches long and has a cylinder choke on an 18 inch barrel. To put it in perspective my 12 gauge barrel is longer than my .410. It breaks up the monotony when you have someone shooting a funky gun. Its a game, enjoy it! We also try to pick up each others misses. Which is always cool with a short barreled gun.

[Slim///]

Never mind the naysayers, As long as you're having a good time and being safe, that's all that matters.

[IntoForever]

I shoot with my saiga 12 all the time now and it's easier to hit clays than my 23" barrel shotgun. I hit at least 20/25 with groups of 5 in a row and I suspect some of the misses are due to not having a choke yet. Yugo seems to have fun as well. I can't wait to convert it and put a .5 choke on it!

[ysr_racer]

use the right tool for the job

Yep, that's where I was going.

Can you do it? Sure. Is it the right tool for the job? No.

[CSACANNONEER]

I get were you are comming from. Luckly I was at a public shooting area with the convenience of falily and friends willing to waite a few seconds to pop the mag every change in shooters to load, if restricted to 2...... It would not be fun!!!!

I can deffinetly see the advantages of other SG's. This was more for the na sayers flapping their gums about the acuracy of S12's.

Even if there was no bullet button, it is a lot of extra motion and possible delay. I may end up with another auto loading SG after all.
Next time I'll take my pump and possibly the S12 with a holographic site.

So, you were just throwing clays at a public shooting area and not on a trap range? There's a big difference between that and an actual trap range. I've hit almost every clay I've ever shot at with a 7 1/2" barrelled KEG-12 but, the thrower was next to me. If it had been 16 yards in front of me, I would have missed more than a few.

I do not know of a trap range that allows you to load more than one round per clay being thrown. In other words, no more than 2 rounds in the gun IF you are shooting doubles. This is a safety rule that should ALWAYS be followed.

Why isn't the S12 a good choice for trap? It would be like entering a crotch rocket in an freestyle motorcross competition. It's just the wrong tool for the job.

[Hallz]

So, you were just throwing clays at a public shooting area and not on a trap range? There's a big difference between that and an actual trap range. I've hit almost every clay I've ever shot at with a 7 1/2" barrelled KEG-12 but, the thrower was next to me. If it had been 16 yards in front of me, I would have missed more than a few.

I do not know of a trap range that allows you to load more than one round per clay being thrown. In other words, no more than 2 rounds in the gun IF you are shooting doubles. This is a safety rule that should ALWAYS be followed.

That could be a PIA with the Saiga. For this reason I can Deffinetly see the opposition to using a S12 for the activity.

We also try to pick up each others misses. Which is always cool with a short barreled gun.

Thats what we were doing as well and were my misses were. As shooter 1&2 at the furthest position from the thrower (about 20') I was 100%.

It was still fun and I will deffinetly be doing more. Bitter sweet reality is, I'll probably be buying another "tool"

Good news is, I have a few diffrent sb's to sell and no longer need.

[bruss01]

Its pretty obvious
yes the Saiga is a shotgun
just like a Remington 870 AOW with a 12" barrel is a "shotgun"

use the right tool for the job
there are certain tools that are more capable at being used for multiple things

and maybe for the OP the Saiga is his multi tool
I would find the Saiga to be rude crude and cumbersome trying to shoot trap with
lots of extra movement

So, tell me how the average person who owns a Saiga 12 for home defense, civil unrest, zombie uprising is supposed to be able to gain proficiency at standing up, taking out moving targets? Most ranges only allow firing at static targets, and most ranges I know of only allow firing long-arms from a bench rest. That is in no way any kind of real preparation or practice to use a weapon intended for CQB where the adversary is moving at you rapidly from possibly several directions. The exception is the trap/skeet fields, where standing and hitting moving targets is what everyone is (ostensibly) there for. Now you're going to say to the tactical shotgun crowd "You don't fit in here, we don't want you around with those EEEEEVIL looking bastardized freak shotguns?"

The suitability of the gun for trap/skeet depends on why one is there in the first place. Is it to impress your banker and lawyer with your $3000 engraved shotgun? Or is it to gain skill to defend your life? There needs to be room in what is rapidly degenerating into a snooty rich-boys club for folks who want to be able to plunk down a couple bucks a few times a month to get good at hitting moving targets. No, it's not a perfect simulation but it's the closest the average joe is going to get in this day and age. I have a Mossberg 590 shotgun... it's a pump but too "tactical" for the elite duck & pheasant blasters... I didn't care and went to the skeet fields week after week until I got good at picking up the doubles, yes with a heavy, overweight muzzle bore choke (i.e. NONE) pump shotgun. That level of skill gave me confidence in using the weapon for defense, and also put me at a level of competence where I can really benefit from a formal combat shotgun class. Without going in with this level of experience, it would have been a VERY steep learning curve for me.

So word to all the members of the snooty polished wood and engraved steel club... make room for the tactical guys. Your "sport" is not only for the rich, and not only for the hunters of watefowl or upland game.

[WDE91]

nice try...
My used Wingmaster which is a very nice looking gun was $235 out the door
I bought another barrel for $125
so I have got a gun that hunt,home defense,shoot clays for $360 ya, thats clearly a $3k gun...

If Im not mistaken a Saiga is at least DOUBLE what I have got into my Wingmaster...