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[parcours]

You must not shoot very much

I have over 100,000 rounds through Perazzi's with no failures, not to mention the earlier model MX8, MT6's and TM1 that my friends use. Have you ever spoken to Lucio or Kim? My meager few 100,000's rounds don't match the millions of rounds they have put through their Perazzi's.

Having owned 682's, Superposed, Krieghoff's, Citori's, 325, 425, 525, etc, I can tell you that for cost differential between Beretta/Browning and the higher end guns like P and K guns, you'll be better served with the Perazzi and Krieghoff.

I don't see too many top end Olympic shooters using a Kolar or Browning, though there are a few that shoot 682 and DT10's.

This really is a Ford/Chevy debate.... But one can see the definite advantages of a drop out trigger in competition. I had a K80 RT a few years back and it worked really well. The trigger pull was crisp but not as well defined as a Perazzi. Probably one of the reasons, the other cost that Kreighoff doesn't offer an RT option any longer.

Quite honestly I've seen more problems with Perrazzi in skeet tournaments then Brownings or Berettas. I would definately spend my sub $2K budget on a Browning Citori or Beretta 68X Sporting O/U. If you ever wanna spend beyond that you can also look into Kolar as an alternative to Perezzi or Kreighoff.

[kmca]

Hmmm. Must be talking about broken hammer springs.
If you don't have the time for the 5 minute fix, it shows the value of a drop out trigger group. Of course, that ups the cost considerably.

[bjl333]

Not to get into a pissing match here, I have well over 100,000 rounds under my belt so I do shoot quite a bit. I have seen a rib separation on a Perrazzi, several broken hammer springs. I have seen a Kreighoff that won't open due to something broken inside. I also have seen a Kolar with doubling problems, but I have not seen a Browning or Beretta fail yet. It doesn't mean they don't have problems, it's just I haven't come across one yet. For the record I shoot a Kolar.

You must not shoot very much

I have over 100,000 rounds through Perazzi's with no failures, not to mention the earlier model MX8, MT6's and TM1 that my friends use. Have you ever spoken to Lucio or Kim? My meager few 100,000's rounds don't match the millions of rounds they have put through their Perazzi's.

Having owned 682's, Superposed, Krieghoff's, Citori's, 325, 425, 525, etc, I can tell you that for cost differential between Beretta/Browning and the higher end guns like P and K guns, you'll be better served with the Perazzi and Krieghoff.

I don't see too many top end Olympic shooters using a Kolar or Browning, though there are a few that shoot 682 and DT10's.

This really is a Ford/Chevy debate.... But one can see the definite advantages of a drop out trigger in competition. I had a K80 RT a few years back and it worked really well. The trigger pull was crisp but not as well defined as a Perazzi. Probably one of the reasons, the other cost that Kreighoff doesn't offer an RT option any longer.

[soulfresh]

I wouldn't shop for a gun based on the warranty. I'veowned a few Brownings and never needed the warranty.

Buying a gun is like buying a suit or a pair of shoes. You have to get the one that fits you correctly.

As far a shooting a Beretta, where do you live?

yeah i agree that fit is best. ive shot the citories before just not the berettas. i live in the bay area norcal. i appreciate the input guys and am glad its not turning into a which gun is better, cause we have plenty of that in forums. just looking for some personal experience info on the companies customer service and or places i can try these out. i dont think im at the level where i can just hold a o/u and say its good for me. i usually have to shoot it first and if i shoot it well than i can decide =)

[ysr_racer]

You must not shoot very much

I have over 100,000 rounds through Perazzi's with no failures, .

I'm guessing you're a skeet shooter, right?

Trust me, most of these guys on this forum would be lucky to shoot a 1000 rounds a year.

Some of them may not shoot a 1000 rounds in their lifetime.

As far as Brownings customer service, it sucks from what I've heard.

Buy a good used gun and you'll never need it, and you'll never wear it out.

[ysr_racer]

I'm shopping for my first car, should I buy a used Ferrari?

[parcours]

Skeet, Sporting Clays and Bunker. Of these, Sporting is where I shoot the most targets.

I'm guessing you're a skeet shooter, right?

Trust me, most of these guys on this forum would be lucky to shoot a 1000 rounds a year.

Some of them may not shoot a 1000 rounds in their lifetime.

As far as Brownings customer service, it sucks from what I've heard.

Buy a good used gun and you'll never need it, and you'll never wear it out.

[parcours]

I wouldn't....

I'm shopping for my first car, should I buy a used Ferrari?

[Newshooter]

I'm shopping for my first car, should I buy a used Ferrari?

I agree!! Poor guy is looking for a "Ford F-150" and you guys are recommending expensive Italian and German vehicles. I can't believe you would even mention Kolar, Perazzi or Kreighoff in this thread.

I own a couple Brownings and a Beretta and hope to one day, when the wife will let me, own one of the above guns. I have shot K-guns and Perazzi's as I have a few single buddies that own them and they are extremely nice guns. I would never have bought one as my FIRST shotgun. That is a lot of coin to spend on a gun that might eventually become a safe queen if the shooters circumstances change and he finds himself shooting less than anticipated. You can also buy yourself a LOT of target shells or a bunch of reloading components and a press for the price difference between those guns.

I shoot between 7,000 to 10,000 a rounds annually and my guns do not have issues. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe those fancy guns are supposed to be serviced every year or so. Service on those things can get expensive especially if they have to go back to their motherland for service.

I have never used Brownings customer service but I have heard that they do take a long time to get your gun back to you. There are other avenues such as factory authorized centers that can turn your gun around much faster.

[parcours]

You're missing the point. If he's going spend $2K on a shotgun, what I said was look for a USED shotgun like a Perazzi. He will eventually move up to that level anyway so why spend the money twice.

Browning and Beretta are nice guns but they are not heavy use target guns. They may want to believe they are but they are not.

What cracks me up is, on this forum no one has an issue putting $3K, $4K on a black gun (more than an F150 BTW) but when you mention a quality mid-range target shotgun you get blasted.

A used Perazzi or Krieghoff will always be worth what you paid for it used, you can't say that about a new Beretta or Browning. So the advise we're giving him is spot on for his money.

And no, you're incorrect, you do not need to have your "fancy gun" serviced every year. Regular maintenance like hinge pin grease, cleaning the internals, etc, is all that is needed. Locking bolts on Perazzi or the top latch lock on a Krieghoff will wear with about 20K rounds and need changing at about 75K-85K rounds. $150 at Lucio's, 20mins and you're back in business. They don't need to go back to the motherland....

I agree!! Poor guy is looking for a "Ford F-150" and you guys are recommending expensive Italian and German vehicles. I can't believe you would even mention Kolar, Perazzi or Kreighoff in this thread.

I own a couple Brownings and a Beretta and hope to one day, when the wife will let me, own one of the above guns. I have shot K-guns and Perazzi's as I have a few single buddies that own them and they are extremely nice guns. I would never have bought one as my FIRST shotgun. That is a lot of coin to spend on a gun that might eventually become a safe queen if the shooters circumstances change and he finds himself shooting less than anticipated. You can also buy yourself a LOT of target shells or a bunch of reloading components and a press for the price difference between those guns.

I shoot between 7,000 to 10,000 a rounds annually and my guns do not have issues. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe those fancy guns are supposed to be serviced every year or so. Service on those things can get expensive especially if they have to go back to their motherland for service.

I have never used Brownings customer service but I have heard that they do take a long time to get your gun back to you. There are other avenues such as factory authorized centers that can turn your gun around much faster.

[ysr_racer]

I'm thinking of taking flying lessons. Do you think they'll let me start on a 747?

[kmca]

I never recommended a Perazzi/Krieghoff/Kolar. I just looked up the price of a new Browning...WOW! If you could find a used Perazzi for $2k, I'd pick that one up. If you can find a used Remington 3200, that should be in the price range. Maybe even a Winchester Pigeon Grade 101.

[parcours]

That's what I've been trying to say... Browning/Beretta are not inexpensive any longer! And I know neither are Perazzi/Krieghoff's...

I don't think you'll find a used Perazzi for $2k, but you will find one for $4500.... Like I said, I paid $4700 for the one pictured.... Off of Trapshooters.com

I never recommended a Perazzi/Krieghoff/Kolar. I just looked up the price of a new Browning...WOW! If you could find a used Perazzi for $2k, I'd pick that one up. If you can find a used Remington 3200, that should be in the price range. Maybe even a Winchester Pigeon Grade 101.

[kmca]

That's a pretty big difference $2.3k vs $4.5k

[parcours]

OK.... ysr.... First a Ferrari now a 747.... So a Perazzi or Krieghoff is equivalent to Ferrari or 747? I disagree.... What happened to the Aston Martin, Lamborghini and Bugatti?

Starting off with a P, K or K gun is not out of line. You can get much more expensive doubles/O/U than these...

I'm thinking of taking flying lessons. Do you think they'll let me start on a 747?