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  • #31
    sureshot
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 25

    M4 rail

    Originally posted by cseabass
    the mesa tactical FCAM(rail) has been on the back burner for a while... i want to make an offer on the prototype.


    still lookin for a heavy barrel for the m4.
    Surefire makes a handguard with a rail for the M4. We have them in stock.

    Jabie Gray
    President
    Discount Gun Mart

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    • #32
      aplinker
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Feb 2007
      • 16762



      Welcome to the board.

      I think Randy meant there's no law against importing the part to extend the capacity, but there certainly are laws against actually using it. Which I think gets back to the insane liability issues of Benelli supporting exhibition shooters who use their guns in illegal configurations, selling parts and telling people it's not illegal.


      Originally posted by sureshot
      Surefire makes a handguard with a rail for the M4. We have them in stock.

      Jabie Gray
      President
      Discount Gun Mart
      Last edited by aplinker; 10-29-2007, 2:37 PM.

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      • #33
        MuNgEr
        Member
        • Dec 2006
        • 107

        The mythical FCAM......



        .......gimmie gimmie....
        Last edited by MuNgEr; 10-29-2007, 3:44 PM.
        MuNgEr

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        • #34
          cseabass
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2006
          • 967

          i know about the surefire rail. im holding out cuz its not what i want, plus i now have a US made hammer and sear.

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          • #35
            aplinker
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Feb 2007
            • 16762

            how did you get those?

            Originally posted by cseabass
            i know about the surefire rail. im holding out cuz its not what i want, plus i now have a US made hammer and sear.

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            List of CA-friendly Manufacturers, Dealers, Middlemen, and Magazine rebuild kit dealers
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            • #36
              cseabass
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2006
              • 967

              a friend who owns a machine shop made them for my birthday. he wont make any more at the moment. right now he and i are working on us made tubes.(mainly cuz i want one with a built in stand-off device.)

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              • #37
                gose
                Veteran Member
                • Oct 2005
                • 3953

                Originally posted by cseabass
                a friend who owns a machine shop made them for my birthday. he wont make any more at the moment. right now he and i are working on us made tubes.(mainly cuz i want one with a built in stand-off device.)
                Does your friend understand how much he could make if he starts selling those?
                With Oden on our side.

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                • #38
                  cseabass
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 967

                  my friend understands, but he and i want to do a few other things before they are made and released.

                  like a new disconnector also.(to help with the reset a bit)


                  as for shooting with the collapsable stock, i like shooting with it more, i think its quite a bit more comfy.

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                  • #39
                    ar15barrels
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 57134

                    after looking through the BATF letters above regarding 922(r), it appears that you could certainly replace the magazine tube AND follower with US made parts and you would be under the 10 piece count as specified on the back of the first letter above.



                    The collapsible stock would still be a CA Cat III AW problem, but the fixed stock would NOT.

                    I have custom made followers for several shotguns should you need a US made one to reduce your 922(r) piece count.
                    Randall Rausch

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                    • #40
                      ar15barrels
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 57134

                      Originally posted by blackrazor
                      For example, if you throw on a Surefire integrated light/forearm, you can legally add a pistol grip and mag tube extension, since all Surefire stuff is made in the USA.
                      The magazine tube extension is NOT a 922(r) item.
                      The actual magazine tube itself IS.
                      That means you have to change the tube out of the receiver, not just use a US made extension.

                      In CA, no semi-auto pistol grip shotguns with collapsible stocks are allowed regardless of 922(r) part count so changing out extra parts won't matter here as far as having a real Benelli M4...

                      You are correct in the case of the M1S90 though with the Surefire forend.
                      Last edited by ar15barrels; 10-31-2007, 9:40 AM.
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                      • #41
                        gose
                        Veteran Member
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 3953

                        FSCK!

                        Just realized I posted the wrong ATF letter! dammit..

                        The letter I posted indicates 11 parts for the M4/1014, which is INCORRECT and there is a later letter from the ATF correcting this. I'll dig it up when I get home and replace the link in the post.

                        The correct count should be the parts for M1/2 + 1 (for the gas rod/piston), giving a total count of 14.
                        Last edited by gose; 10-31-2007, 12:50 PM.
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                        • #42
                          krazz
                          Member
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 206

                          Anyone know where I can get a field stock (the one w/o the p.g) for my M1014?
                          I don't like politicians.

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                          • #43
                            yallknowho
                            Member
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 413

                            yeah i was wondering about that. you can have 10 rounds with the field stock right?

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                            • #44
                              ar15barrels
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 57134

                              Originally posted by yallknowho
                              yeah i was wondering about that. you can have 10 rounds with the field stock right?
                              Depends on the length of the magazine tube.
                              Some hold 7 and some go all the way to 10+ rounds.

                              I don't think there is a specific capacity limit as long as you comply with 922(r)
                              Randall Rausch

                              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                              Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                              Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                              • #45
                                yallknowho
                                Member
                                • Sep 2006
                                • 413

                                hmm well if you removed the pistol grip and buttstock, and added the field stock, you would be right at 10. does that work?

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