Benelli M4

[neomedic]

Is it possible to buy a M4 in CA? I thought I heard that is has a limited capacity magazine for Kalifornia? Any truth to that?

I read on another tread that people stop selling this to Kalifornia (Impact guns). Is they going to be restricted or at lease really hard to get soon??

Thanks.

[grim1U]

As of right now, you can still buy a M4 Shotgun in California. It does however have a limited mag tube because of the Semi Auto Shotgun with a pistol grip law (California).

[odysseus]

I believe Benelli has a none pistol grip stock for the m4? If so can you extend the mag tube then?

[soopafly]

As of right now, you can still buy a M4 Shotgun in California. It does however have a limited mag tube because of the Semi Auto Shotgun with a pistol grip law (California).

no, No, NO...this is the restriction:

Cat III Assault weapons in CA
...
SHOTGUNS:
A semiautomatic shotgun having BOTH of the following:
-a folding or telescoping stock;
-a pistol grip protruding conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, a thumbhole stock, or a vertical handgrip.

A semiautomatic shotgun with the ability to accept detachable magazines;

Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.



There is no mention of magazine capacity. There is another reason...IIRC, it's the US vs. foreign parts count. Someone who knows better, please chime in.

[soopafly]

Is it possible to buy a M4 in CA? I thought I heard that is has a limited capacity magazine for Kalifornia? Any truth to that?

You may legally purchase/possess an M4 in CA as long as it does not have both the pistol grip and telescoping stock. I believe it comes into the USA with only a 5 round mag, not just CA.

I read on another tread that people stop selling this to Kalifornia (Impact guns). Is they going to be restricted or at lease really hard to get soon??

Whoever won't sell the Benelli M4 to CA residents are just being to lazy to read up on our laws.


If you want one, I heard Ade's in the city of Orange had one a few weeks back. Turners occasionally gets one in. Coldwarshooters would be happy to sell you one.

[neomedic]

So all M4 that I would be able to get have a 5 shot capacity?

Doesn't seem to be a wise choice to spend some much $$$ for so little. I guess I'm back to square one and will probably look for a pump.

[soopafly]

So all M4 that I would be able to get have a 5 shot capacity?

Again, my memory is vague here, but IIRC here's the rub...you have to find a mag extension that is made in the USA to bring the M4 back up to full capacity legally. Good luck finding one.

The M4 mag extension topic has been discussed here before. I would try a search using the terms "Benelli M4 mag extension" in either the shotgun or legal forums.

[gose]

Again, my memory is vague here, but IIRC here's the rub...you have to find a mag extension that is made in the USA to bring the M4 back up to full capacity legally. Good luck finding one.
The M4 mag extension topic has been discussed here before. I would try a search using the terms "Benelli M4 mag extension" in either the shotgun or legal forums.

That would NOT be enough.

To increase capacity on an M4, you would have to replace 4 of the ATF listed parts with US made ones.

Only switching the extension to a US made one (made by several companies) would be a federal offense. (The extension doesn't even count as a part, you have to replace the WHOLE tube)

There are a few threads around with more info.

[vlsgmc]

Mag Extension

Check the BB on the Benelli site. There is a guy on there that makes mag tubes for M4s from scratch. He machines them and has them finished to match the M4. They are full length tubes, not screw on extensions, so the original short tube has to be removed, usually requiring a heat gun to loosen up the sealant. Top quality fit and finish. If you are in the San Diego area, Discount Gun Mart is an authorized Benelli dealer and sells below MSRP.

[randy]

Benelli quit importing mag extension tube at the request of the ATF no law against it. It has to do with sporting firearm. I don't know about an M4 but if you had an m1 or m2 field they are sporting firearms change the stock add the mag tube. There are full length mag tubes for the M4 along with mag extensions to give it a max load.

No collapsable stock with a pistol grip on a semi auto shotty, not made in the USA.

[gose]

Benelli quit importing mag extension tube at the request of the ATF no law against it. It has to do with sporting firearm. I don't know about an M4 but if you had an m1 or m2 field they are sporting firearms change the stock add the mag tube. There are full length mag tubes for the M4 along with mag extensions to give it a max load.
No collapsable stock with a pistol grip on a semi auto shotty, not made in the USA.

NO! What you're proposing is illegal!

According to our beloved ATF, you would be assembling a non-sporting firearm, banned from importation, by adding an extension to an M1 or M2 as well.

It's all in 922(r) and ATF interpretations/rulings on the same.

There are several letters on this and I can send you both the M4 and M1/M2 ones, if you can't find them online.

The only difference between M1/2 and M4 is that you have to replace fewer parts on an M1/2 to get down to 10, or less, parts

[aplinker]

There's a lot of confusion on this, but Gose is right.

First off, you can't have a "true M1014/M4" as you can't have the pistol grip and collapsible stock.


However, you can purchase the version without the collapsible stock or full length tube:


He's also correct about the current understanding of 922(r) issues. However, the parts count has changed at least twice and there's still discussion about what the definition of "non-sporting" shotgun is. The ATF is just as bad as the DOJ when it comes to making things clear. The replacement tube made by the guy on the Benelli forum (socomguy?) is extremely well made.

[randy]

Yes Gose please send me the letters. In my conversations with the atf they didn't have a problem.

[odysseus]

So much fog on this. Is there any FFL around here in Cali who cares to talk about this? Sold any?

[akspetsnaz]

There's a lot of confusion on this, but Gose is right.

First off, you can't have a "true M1014/M4" as you can't have the pistol grip and collapsible stock.

M1014 is NOT a M4.

True M1014 is a limited edition (American flag on the receiver) with FIXED skeleton stock and limited mag tube.

True M1014 is perfectly legal in CA. Turners had them few years back.