Kel-Tec KSG vs Saiga 12

[pennys dad]

Was talking to WC Turners guys yesterday and I was told that Turners will have 800 Keltecs in Nov and they are all spoken for!

[Thefeeder]

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Birdshot? There are literally 50 different loads of birdshot.

There are 3" mag, 2 3/4" mag....field, target ......2 3/4 Dram...3 drams, 3 3/4 Drams...4 Drams

#8 shot....6....5.....4...BB....T shot.

All of them are birdshot for bird hunting and clays.........

Which will and will not work?

Just asking...cuz I would like to know also.

Will a full house 2 3/4" , 3 3/4 Dram #4 shot run through the Saiga?

What dram are the 00 or slug loaded at? Bird shot of the same dram should run as good.

[AragornElessar86]

For the guys saying the KSG won't be reliable, what evidence do you have to support that? From my research Kel-Tec seems to put out very good weapons, they just have trouble actually getting them to the market. So aside from its current vaporware status, what's wrong with the gun?

Back on topic, my personal conviction is that a SHTF gun should be manually operated. Thus I have a tricked out 870, a couple good revolvers and some bolt/lever rifles for that purpose. I know I'm old-school but I just don't like trusting to an autoloading platform in a long-term self-reliance scenario. It's one of the reasons I have the KSG on preorder. Other points in its favor are its OAL, the total mag capacity, and the total weight.

That's not to say that I think the Saiga is a bad gun, it's obviously not. I don't like it for personal ergonomic and aesthetic reasons, but that's my issue and not the gun's. I guess it really depends on what SHTF scenario you're preparing for.

[vintagedude88]

Was talking to WC Turners guys yesterday and I was told that Turners will have 800 Keltecs in Nov and they are all spoken for!

No worries, plenty of FS threads will come from that. By then the Saiga 12 price will drop and many will be dumping their pre-ordered KSGs for Saiga 12s.

[350oshin]

i dont know why everyone is saying s12 isnt reliable, i have one for over 1.5 yrs and my friend even longer and it hasnt jammed more than 2-3 rounds... i have shot over 2k rounds of cheap wallamrt bulk ammo every time i go out! and how can you beat the s12 for tactical... you can shoot 10rds in a heartbeat yet still reload faster than the kel-tec.......every time i go clay shooting everyone wants to try it...( if anyone does give me a pm)




sorry i just took a quick pic on my phone

[350oshin]

and yes the wood looks even nicer in person

[SuaSponte]

for all you people that have no experience with the saiga and talk it down, I will tell you what. I haven't even owned my saiga 12 for a month straight and brand new all stock was reliable with the low brass. If it can feed low brass wall mart crap, it can feed anything. Mine is reliable and doesnt need to be fixed to be reliable. I didn't need to buy a low brass reliability kit, puck or gas reg.

[350oshin]

i love mine its one of those omg guns when you go to the range everyones eyes are on me...thinking im a idiot on the clay range with a ak-47 until they see me hit them right after another. my buddies mossberg 500 with a long barrel isnt as accurate....

[alfred1222]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=450970

just think its bad ***

[Target19]

Saiga 12 all the way. Do not listen to anyone who says the saiga won't run, they are full of crap. I put an Md arms v plug and md arms piston in mine, even though it really did not need it. My saiga will feed all shotgun loads, even the winchester value target packs at walmart. It does not ever jam. With 20 round md arms drum magazines and buckshot, this makes this weapon the most feared close quarters battle weapon in the world, period. This is all the info you need to choose the saiga 12.

The SAIGA 12 is badass but...the most feared close quarters battle weapon in the world would have to be the AA-12!!!

[gotshotgun?]

I'm going to color outside of the lines a bit and suggest you keep your eyes open for a Benelli M1S90

This... The gun just works and it's so handy. Just kicks harder than an s12 but c'mon were talking shotguns

[ivsamhell]

The saiga wouldn't be my first choice, I'd like to check out a ksg. I think my saiga is pretty novelty, the mags are obnoxiously bulky/slow reload. it still doesn't cycle light loads after converting, opening the ports(and clearancing/shaping the gas block just because it was removed), shaping and polishing the hammer and bolt, md gas plug, twister puck......... but it sure looks sweet.

[epilepticninja]

I read a review today on the KSG. That thing looks sick.

[xxINKxx]

I don't think the KSG is all that much vaporware as some are saying. There's a ton of videos of people who got there hands on them to test and they run fine. Even that doucher wanna b tactical guy nutnfancy has like 3 or 4 vids of them shooting/testing one. And lots of other reviewers.

Can't wait to see it officially out. The 7+7+1 round capacity is defiantly a turn on

[AragornElessar86]

Still want to hear from the guys who say the KSG is unreliable. Or should I just assume they're all talk?

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