disarms

[USMC 82-86]

If you ask people trained in these skills, it is a last resort. I will say given a choice I would rather disarm someone with a gun vs a knife. Clearing yourself of the muzzle is 90% of the challenge staying clear is the other 10%. With a knife we were taught if you have no other choice grab the blade and hold on until you can disable the attacker. When the real s_ _ _ hits the fan it is not pretty and it ain't Hollywood. People do what is needed to survive and if you can't make that your mind set you are already doomed. There is no secret, you do what it takes and the person willing to do that gets to go home. You have to be very careful judging what people are capable of doing. That is often the advantage of people who will do what it takes to survive. They are often the quiet passive ones that are not seen as a threat. Women refer to it as a quiet confidence, men mistake it for weakness. That first mistake could be your last mistake. Think about that a little.

[aippi]

I have no real world exprience in taking on a man holding any firearm on me, but I damn sure do with knives and every thing from a shovel to a mop bucket wringer, however, I have scars from the stitches, reaccuring shoulder pains and a history of lumps and brusies from doing this repetivley in training with both hand guns, long guns, knives, and batons. I have also instucted team members in the above. So if that is " Hallarious" to you Gobi fish then have a good laugh on me. But believe this, I am 57 years old and now retired. Yet, I did these things enough to know they are as a last resort but I still have a better chance of coming out alive from this then a guy that sits there and laughs at this.

PS: I still recommend Tactic I from my first post.

[inbox485]

Not sure how I missed this earlier, but every damn one of these techniques will get you killed. The bozo isn't clearing the barrel line efficiently nor is he effectively controlling the weapon during the set up for the take away. This is a fine example of 99.999999999999999999% of everything I've ever seen on the subject. The moment it registers that you are non compliant, the trigger is getting pulled, and the guy will have a death grip on the gun and generally will pull it inward and or turn to the side for better control. Putting your hand on the barrel like your stroking your boyfriend won't cut it.

Oh, and +1 to aipi's tactic I. Even if it is an act.

[para-frame]

Not sure how I missed this earlier, but every damn one of these techniques will get you killed. The bozo isn't clearing the barrel line efficiently nor is he effectively controlling the weapon during the set up for the take away. This is a fine example of 99.999999999999999999% of everything I've ever seen on the subject. The moment it registers that you are non compliant, the trigger is getting pulled, and the guy will have a death grip on the gun and generally will pull it inward and or turn to the side for better control. Putting your hand on the barrel like your stroking your boyfriend won't cut it.

Oh, and +1 to aipi's tactic I. Even if it is an act.

It looked like with almost, if not all, the disarms the guy with the gun would put a round in to your femoral region.

[inbox485]

It looked like with almost, if not all, the disarms the guy with the gun would put a round in to your femoral region.

That, and the dummy put up absolutely none of the instinctual resistance you should expect. One step or jerk back and the barrel would be in your chest. I've given enough bozo's like that an airsoft reality check to know a load of crap when I see one. I have some old contacts that I've been AWOL from for some time. Every time this comes up, I want to get back with them and do some vids.

[IntoForever]

My training against a long arm is different from a hand gun as there are two hands on it.
1) get inside so you're not in the line of fire
2) destroy your opponent. Dislocate arms, gouge out eyes or snap neck. Whatever you do, be brutal and swift.
I'm thankful I've never had to be in this position however I have had guns pulled on me and been shot at twice, once as a joke.

[aippi]

Once as a joke. Not funny. Don't party with that guy again there Intoforever.

[IntoForever]

Once as a joke. Not funny. Don't party with that guy again there Intoforever.

Trust me. Seeing doughnuts explode in a donut shop wasn't my idea of funny. Guy has a serious screw loose and I've not seen him since.

[BLACK LION]

Its a costly mistake to focus on disarming the gun when that is not the real danger.
One must first entertain disarming the thinking, problem solving brain and the capable and maneuverable human anatomy behind it.

You do not disarm BG's by taking thier labor saving tools away... you disarm them by de-animating them either through physiological incapacitation or incapacitation of the CNS.

Go out on a limb and buy a spring loaded replica of an M500 in both pistol grip and full stock models and(with proper protection and utmost attention to safety) attempt these "disarms" you see. You might be suprised at how many times you end up dead.

Honestly...after going through as many scenarios as we could think of there is no real way to disarm a bg of any type of labor saving devices without first accessing targets that will yeild the results one would need to secure any threats... not just the guy with the gun , but his buddy on the side and the 2 in the bushes.
You never want to train yourself for a "tool tug o war" since it is counterproductive and those are not the waepons that are truly dangerous...the thinking moving human behind the tool is your highest priority.
There are ways to get "behind the barrel" so you can get to the targets you need but it does not amount to a disarm.... normally once they are struck effectively in a bonafide target like the throat or groin the gun either gets released or they end up colliding with the ground with it in thier hand and that is a bad day for them...not you.