disarms

[gdog]

It may all come down to hand to hand and although handgun disarms can be accomplished with T&P to develop experience, has anyone ever done shotgun disarms. I ask because the balance points are quite different between the two and, other than in the movies, I haven't really seen an effective technique that gets their finger off the trigger. The other concern is full stock disarms vs pistol grip. Either way you have to get in closer to the BG than with a pistol disarm and a full stock gives the BG an advantage over the pistol grip when it come to weapon retention. What are your experiences with this?

[Sleeper]

If a BG has a shotgun and you want to disarm him - shoot him - them walk up and get the shotgun. No need to go hand to hand, practice markmanship.

[BigDogatPlay]

Yes, shotguns can be taken away. Techniques for takeaways and counters are taught in pretty much any police academy and in service officer safety or DT update. LEOs who are serious about survival practice these techniques often as a matter of routine because in an actual gun grab there is no time to think about what technique to use. The response must be instinctive.

The problem is, exactly as you note, getting the finger off the trigger. This is because the easiest and quickest counter to any long gun takeaway attempt is for the holder of the gun to simpler pull the trigger. Muzzle blast alone is a pretty effective counter to a barrel first long gun grab attempt.

A standard stock, versus a pistol gripped stock or PGO, is in my own training and experience easier to apply correct leverage merely by circling the muzzle. Any type of full stock also affords the opportunity to lock the gun into your side and protect it with your arm so that the bad guy is having to move your whole body, rather than just the gun.

If your plan is to disarm a bad hombre armed with a shotgun, that should be your absolute, no other way to go, last resort. This is because the first rule of takeaways is that the person trying to execute the takeaway is almost certainly going to be shot at least once in the attempt.

[aippi]

If a man has a shotgun pointed at you and it is apparent he has the will to use it, I recommend the following.

Tactic I - Place your feet a shoulder width. Face the man and look him directly in the eyes. Then state in a clear matter of fact voice. Sir, I will eat the peanuts out of your S**t just for heavens sake please don't kill me.

Tactic II -If you have to as a last resort to prevent getting dead then go for it. It is hard to describe the technique and it only works with conventional stocks and is like a brake hold of useing the weapon as a lever and breaking against his weak point which is the thumb on top of the stock. I can take the weapon in seconds. It does not work with a stock like the SF IV or M-4 type stocks and these are the best stocks to have on your weapon for weapon retension. In this case the only thing is to close on the suject, neturalize the weapon and strike the subject, gouage, bite, rake the shin and do anything you have to do cause an even lessoning of his hold on the weapon and take it. If this does not work. Revert to Tactic I

[gdog]

Lmao at tactic I! Thanks JD, I'll opt for tactic II Hopefully it doesn't come to that. For sure I would attempt to stop the BG with any weapon at hand but there is always the possibility that I may end up on the wrong end of the deal and preparedness is something I would like to practice. I'll have to pick up some different stocks and see how the weapon can be manipulated with them. @BigDog, I definitely want to develop an instinctual tactic for that situation. Thanks. Any other experiences/comments are welcome.

[FatalKitty]

are we seriously talking about trying to take a loaded shotgun from someone in this thread?

Here's what you do.
Get underneath the gun... get low, move in fast... push the weapon up... leverage is your friend here. Get as close as you can as fast as you can... drop their legs...this may required different techniques depending on the situation.

[gdog]

are we seriously talking about trying to take a loaded shotgun from someone in this thread?

Sure are. Definitely not my number one choice but the alternative is worse don't you think? The good guys don't always win, I just want a chance.

[beaster]

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[aippi]

That rushing the weapon low is why we Jarheads practice the "Vertical Butt Stroke". The one with the butt of the weapon not the one the Navy guys do on ships.

Just Kidding Navy. There are more Jarhead jokes that we have to take so being able to get one in every once in awhile is rare.

[FatalKitty]

That rushing the weapon low is why we Jarheads practice the "Vertical Butt Stroke". The one with the butt of the weapon not the one the Navy guys do on ships.

Just Kidding Navy. There are more Jarhead jokes that we have to take so being able to get one in every once in awhile is rare.

ugh... single point sling is preventing me from doing this... but it's also preventing anyone from taking the gun in the first place, or turning it around on me.

[inbox485]

Yes there are plenty of simple and effective disarms (including ones for guys with single point slings... ). There are also simple and effective disarm counters. I've looked many times on youtube for good examples when people ask this, but I've yet to see a video that wouldn't get you killed.

[MossbergMan]

Simple martial arts 101. he who controls the outside of the stick will out leverage the inside man/woman. Intertesting techniques, same principle.

[SparrowHanger]

I have a better long gun disarming techique. Shoot the ****er in the face and then disarm him any damn way you please.

[inbox485]

Simple martial arts 101. he who controls the outside of the stick will out leverage the inside man/woman. Intertesting techniques, same principle.

Yet 99% of the crap out there fails the airsoft test...