Kel Tec Shotgun

[ZombieTactics]

I am absolutely giddy with anticipation.

I can't wait to try this with the Aguila shorts or the 2-inch Centurion rounds. The notion of having a shotgun where I can select between 2 tubes with different shells in each ... dang that's almost getting into Judge Dredd/Logan's Run territory.

[Dead*Reckoned]

Finally!!! A gun that makes my mouth drool that we can own!

[gose]

Tube mags are exempt for capacity limits.
This thing is too cool to pass up - even IF (and it's unlikley) it's less than perfect, it's still a cool shotgun and I will own one.

Shotgun tubes are NOT exempt from capacity limits.
lever actions with tube mags are, but shotguns definitely arent.

It might be kosher since it has two tubes, but the fact that it's being touted as a 14+1 capacity is not really helping....

any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds

Even though it has two tubes, how can it not be a feeding device that can accept more than 10 rounds?
If you plug the tubes so they only hold 5 each, it should definitely be ok though.

[Maddog5150]

I know I've said this before but....
I WANT IT!!!

[NSR500]

Shotgun tubes are NOT exempt from capacity limits.
lever actions with tube mags are, but shotguns definitely arent.

It might be kosher since it has two tubes, but the fact that it's being touted as a 14+1 capacity is not really helping....



Even though it has two tubes, how can it not be a feeding device that can accept more than 10 rounds?
If you plug the tubes so they only hold 5 each, it should definitely be ok though.

Show us where there is a capacity restriction on a pump action, tube fed shotgun. http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

[melman]

14 + 1 dang!
looks nice!!!

[Inoxmark]

Show us where there is a capacity restriction on a pump action, tube fed shotgun. http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

Flowchart is not a legal document.

There's no restriction for pump shotguns specifically, but there's a resriction for capacity of an "ammunition feeding device", no matter if it's fixed or removable. As many have pointed out, the dilemma here is whether this design is considered a single device (bad), or two devices (good).

I almost wish these tubes were actually individually removable (like magazines), then it would be a lot easier to argue that they are individual "devices".

[gose]

Show us where there is a capacity restriction on a pump action, tube fed shotgun. http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

Ehh, no, it's not an assault weapon, its a "large capacity feeding device".

(c) (25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any
ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it
cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action
firearm.

ANY feeding device... Two connected tubes, even if theres a friggin switch to switch between them, is a feeding device.
However, IANAL and DOJ might think differently...
I'll buy one as soon as someone here has stepped up to be a test case.
I just hope that CGF doesnt waste any money on it.

[gose]

Though, since its definitely not an AW, and at most can be seen as having a fixed large capacity magazine, it should be ok for LEOs to buy.

[jackandblood]

Reminds me of Snatch: "What the hell is that?" "This is a shotgun Sol." "Its a bloody anti-aircraft gun Vincent!"

[user name]

I see it as two seperate magazines.

now if some Ahole in the .gov sees it elsewise i'm sure that you'll see a twin 5 rounder for California & other over-governed states

[FatalKitty]

worst case scenario is I have to move to AZ to buy one - in which case I will do so.

[TangoCharlie]

Show us where there is a capacity restriction on a pump action, tube fed shotgun. http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

This is a pump-action shotgun, not an Assault Weapon by any definition, clearly, so the AW flow chart is not useful. CA PC 12020(c)(25) is the issue, "Large-Capacity Magazines":

The Neostead can fire from one 6-round tube or the other by flipping the magazine selector left or right depending on which tube is desired. We've confirmed that this is how the KSG also works, however the Neostead magazine selector has a center position that causes both tubes to feed all 12 rounds alternately. This would be a very simple, logical and desirable feature on the KSG, however this would undeniably mean the feeding device of the KSG is a "Large-Capacity Magazine" per CA PC 12020(c)(25)and thus the gun itself cannot be sold in CA without modification.

Can we confirm the KSG can only fire 7 rounds at a time before the magazine needs to be manually switched to the other tube? If there is a dual-feed setting -and Keltec would be stupid not to add this feature- then we have some work to do before these can come in.

[yf19ex]

From what I have been reading, there is no automatic feed setting. When one tube goes dry it will not automatically feed from the other tube. The feed has to me manually switched.

[agent.5]

I am not worried about the statute as written, as this gun has 2 separate feeding devices.

You can't insert all 14 shells to the opening of one device, you have to separately load 7 shells to each device.