Semi-Auto 12 Guage

[vormav]

I love my mossberg 930, great gun.

[PEBKAC]

The capacity of the M4 is theoretically limited to 7 + whatever size Benelli Nova extension will fit on the end and still feed reliably...which I think is 12 + 2. But it looks absolutely ridiculous as there is a 5 round Nova extension hanging off then end of a 7 round tube...so that protrudes way past the end of the barrel.

The sweet spot IMO is 8 + 2 with a + 1 Nova extension on the end. Doesn't look completely terrible and personally I like the idea of the Nova extension acting as a bit of an "impact standoff" should the front of the gun hit something hard. Messed up bore = not fun times...

Honestly 922(r) is the more onerous part of upgrading the magazine capacity on an M4.

Also M4s come with non-collapsing PG stocks these days, not fixed collapsing stocks. You ~can~ also buy more traditional "field" style stocks for them, but they are somewhat hard to come by.

[prc77]

FN SLP

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=fnf005&gid=fng002&mid=FNM0018

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=fnf005&gid=fng002&mid=FNM0131

[Caseless]

Just wondering...

Has anyone tried shooting trap or skeet using a Saiga 12 haha?

If the shottys ever going to be used for sport would you recommend the benelli + a longer barrel for sporting?

All the time. Since Saiga 12 is the only shotgun model I use. The main advantage in using it for sport is you can shoot it all day long and not suffer a sore shoulder.
For trap shooting, I find no hit ratio difference between a 19-inch Saiga 12 or a 24-inch Winchester pump. Perhaps because I am still a novice at shotgunning. Still unable to break more than 15 clay birds out of 25.

[eccvets]

M4 with a collapsable stock.

[offdeez]

Saiga 12 and buy 5000+ rounds of ammo and still pay less than the benelli

[crackerman]

M4 with a collapsable stock.

= Felony assault weapon in CA.
Use the flowchart luke!

[Caseless]

= Felony assault weapon in CA.
Use the flowchart luke!

To make this mod legal, collapse to desired length, then pin the stock, making it non-adjustable. Bullet button should already be on there when you buy the gun.

[prc77]

To make this mod legal, collapse to desired length, then pin the stock, making it non-adjustable. Bullet button should already be on there when you buy the gun.

No Bullet Buttons on M4's

[shortround1]

If not mistaken, the M-4 has a limited capacity of 5. The long magazine tube is crimped off, at least on the ones I looked at. Also the "collapsable" stock was fixed on the sample I checked out. I do own a Benelli M-1 S-90 but it's now a safe queen after years of reliable service, replaced by a superior Mossberg 930 SPX. For $550 you cannot beat the features nor can you beat the fast soft shooting gas operation. Mine works with all loads (7.5 birdshot/Fed LE132 buckshot) light to heavy slugs. The LPA GR sights are about the best SG sights you can get (that's why Benelli has them too) and the fiber optic (adjustable) front sight is fast to pick up. The stock is adjustable for LOP and drop at the comb. You can fit it exactly to you. Does the M-4 offer the shims on the fixed stock PG version?

I have no experience with the Saiga's but I hate the mag lock requirement. Capacity is a big plus however. 10 rounds is an asset even if you have to use a tool to reload. Nobody ever lost a gunfight because they had too much ammo.

So let us know what you get and how you like it. But my vote is 930 SPX

How is the 930 stock adjustable? I read that they are on Mossberg's website, but I can't imagine how. Does it come with spacers that I'm not seeing in Mossberg's pictures? I'm interested in the 930's but as a short person I like adjustable LOP.

[Glackowitz]

I have a Tristar Viper G2 Tactical 12ga semi. It was my first shotgun and I bought it on a whim while looking around. Its a 5+1 which is fine as a HD gun for me. After I bought it i started reading more about the Mossbergs, Remingtons and Benelli's. I am more than happy with what I bought. I am looking into another shotgun for my kids as the 12 is a bit to much for them...my girls are 10 and 12. So I have been eyeing a 20ga pump for them.

I did find out that most of the Tristar Viper's part are interchangeable...Barrels, Forends, stocks, trigger groups. So for about 100.00 I can change out my 20" barrel for a 26" or 28", I can also swap out the stock for the Cobra model which adds the pistol grip or change it all over to wood. I picked it up for around 360 with all fees and a few boxes of ammo.

It cycles all the rounds I have put through it with only a few FTE's when I was breaking it in and running some odd shells that were given to me from my father in law that were some he had from years gone by.

I would love a Benelli or similar for skeet, but I need to learn how that all works first....may have to go to the local gun club and watch for awhile one day

[L84CABO]

I really like the benelli, felt it would also be the most reliable. I would really love a 10 round capacity incase SHTF.

The M4 comes with a 5 shot capacity due to some law (922r) that limits the capacity on imported shotguns. However, there is a legal way around this. You have to reduce the number of imported parts (13) to 10 or less. So most folks will swap the mag tube for a 7 shell capacity tube, the follower (cheap) and the front hand guard (Surefire makes a replacement) for American made parts. Go to the Benelli website and search the Forum (probably your best source for info on all things Benelli). In this manner you can increase the capacity to 7+1...and there's a way you can ride an extra shell on the carrier so that gets you to 9...not quite 10 but pretty close.

Now is a great time to buy an M4 btw as Benelli is offering a $200 rebate through the end of the year. Details can be found on Benelli's website.

The M4 is VERY reliable. Do your research. The FN SLP is also a very fine choice as others have said. Not sure you can go wrong either way. Saigas seem like a lot of fun though. Might have to get one some day.

Oh and be warned. Benellis are expensive. And I don't mean just the purchase price. The accessories and mods aren't cheap. The collapseable stock will set you back $500 - $600 alone...if you're lucky. Can't have one in California though as others have pointed out.

Peace

[L84CABO]

Would you trust a Saiga 12 in a HD role?

Any recommendations?

uhhhh ya alot more then those others[/QUOTE]

Yea, I'd like to hear why you think that too. M4 has a pretty solid reputation for being reliable. Did you have a bad experience with one? Not trying to start a war. Just curious about your experience.

Peace

[Cobra 762]

Saiga 12 and buy 5000+ rounds of ammo and still pay less than the benelli

This for sure.... ^^^

I would rather have four S-12s than one Benelli, or the extra money to spend on ammo...or save the money and still rather have one S-12 than a Benelli. The S-12 will shoot just as well as the Benelli if not better, there are more accessories available for it, it will withstand torturous conditions better than I bet any Benelli will, and to me the military configuration, even if choked down with a mag lock, is more aesthetically pleasing. I'm a real AK fan so I'm a little biased, but the S-12 is hands down every bit as good as any other shotgun for HD or other uses IMO. I have seven of them in all different configurations, and wouldn't trade one for a Benelli. That's just me though, to each his own.

[DaveFJ80]

I've had a M4 and a S12. I'd much rather have the M4 for numerous reasons, HD being one of them. The M4 feels much tighter and easier on my shoulder with a Limbsaver recoil pad. Both were very reliable, and the S12 is still very fun to shoot. And you will always get a ton of looks at the range when shooting the S12.... if that's what you're going for


As for the price difference, sure the Saiga is obviously cheaper. But once you convert it and buy extra parts for it, the price gets up there pretty quick. You definitely cannot buy 4 x S12's for 1 x M4, but maybe 2 of them for 1 x M4.