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[cgseanp1]

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[Blackboomstick]

I think you're right.

[osokne]

In the PRK, a shotgun cannot be capable of accepting a detachable magazine. It's a grey area and I've not found any actual, specific text that addresses this. So, you have to look at the references in the law pertaining to "permanently affixed ammunition feeding tubes" or somesuch. Such tubes are physically limited as to what they can hold, just due to their length. I've never heard of a tube holding more than 8 (2.75" 12GA), but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

[resident-shooter]

I was actually interested to know this as well. tag

[osokne]

I meant to say that the capacity of the shotgun is a grey area, not the prohibition of the detachable mag... sorry.

[wilit]

In the PRK, a shotgun cannot be capable of accepting a detachable magazine. It's a grey area and I've not found any actual, specific text that addresses this. So, you have to look at the references in the law pertaining to "permanently affixed ammunition feeding tubes" or somesuch. Such tubes are physically limited as to what they can hold, just due to their length. I've never heard of a tube holding more than 8 (2.75" 12GA), but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

Not entirely correct. Pump and bolt action shotguns can have detachable magazines which hold no more than 10 rounds. The 10 round limit has nothing to do with 12276.1 AW laws, but has to do with 12020's high capacity magazine law.

12276.1 (7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

[bjl333]

I think you could get up to 12-13 on custom shotguns as long as its a tube and not a magazine. thats how the exibition shooters from Benelli and Winchester get their records of 12 hand toss clays hits in the air , could be 13 or 14 in the air ... don't remember.

[osokne]

@ Wilit...

Aha... I read that shotguns couldn't have the detachable magazine. Don't have the code reference number handy, though. BUT... That may have pertained specifically to "Semi-Automatic" shotguns, now that I think about it. That's what you're referencing in 12020Yes/No? (I'm just askin', not arguin')

[GrizzlyGuy]

This FAQ question implies that there is no limit for a shotgun with a fixed magazine: You didn't mention shotguns; are they not limited to ten rounds when equipped with bullet buttons?

Note that you can have up to 6 rounds for hunting furbearing or nongame animals. See the DFG info here:

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/.

[wilit]

@ Wilit...

Aha... I read that shotguns couldn't have the detachable magazine. Don't have the code reference number handy, though. BUT... That may have pertained specifically to "Semi-Automatic" shotguns, now that I think about it. That's what you're referencing in 12020Yes/No? (I'm just askin', not arguin')

Note the section in black. Detachable mags are only an issue on semi-auto shotguns.

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

[Quiet]

CA assault weapons laws [PC 12276.1] does not regulate the ammo capacity limit for a fixed magazine shotgun.

So (if you are not hunting), the only thing that limits ammo capacity on a shotgun is the large capacity magazines laws [PC 12020(a)(2)].

There is no limit to ammo capacity on lever-action shotguns [PC 12020(c)(25)(C)]

If you can legally acquire large capacity shotgun magazines, then you can legally use them in a shotgun.
Examples...
-LEO purchases 20 round Saiga-12 drum and uses it in his/her magazine locked CA legal Saiga-12 = legal.
-LEO installs a +4 magazine tube extension to the 8 round tubular magazine on his/her pump or semi-auto shotgun = legal.
-Non-LEO installs a +4 magazine tube extension to the 8 round tubular magazine on his/her pump or semi-auto shotgun = illegal due to manufacturing a large capacity magazine in CA after 01-01-2000.
-Non-LEO sells a 12 round tubular magazine fed pump or semi-auto shotgun to non-LEO = illegal due to selling a large capacity magazine in CA after 01-01-2000.


Because of the large capacity magazine laws, the default ammo capacity limit on non-lever-action shotguns for non-exempt persons is 10 rounds.


Penal Code 12020
(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.
(c)(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

[resident-shooter]

Here is another question; does the chamber add another round to the shell capacity? I mean for waterfowl, we can only have 2 rd mags + 1 in the chamber. What if I haves a pump action shotgun with 10 round mag + 1 round in the chamber?

[bjl333]

Here is another question; does the chamber add another round to the shell capacity? I mean for waterfowl, we can only have 2 rd mags + 1 in the chamber. What if I haves a pump action shotgun with 10 round mag + 1 round in the chamber?

Tubes don't matter.

[kel-tec-innovations]

For my Mossberg 590 SP I can load approx. 16 short shotgun shells. Did I break the law? No, the length of the magazine tube is the same but the shells got shorter. The shells were actually 1.5 inch shells

Just like the Tube Fed .22lr rifles there is NO LIMITS and EXEMPT from magazine capacity. Because the lenght of the bullets can change.

On a shotgun I can load multiple lenght shot shells creating different capacity based on that thus the law is very gray in this area

[FatalKitty]

I chop about 3/4 inch off my shells when reloading for clays... my friends are always baffled I can shoot 12 shells without reloading