why would anyone buy a mosberg

[Cardinal Sin]

Bayonet mount.

yeah . . . as if you're gonna run somebody or thing through with it

[AJAX22]

one of these days when the Marine Corps finally surplusses off the 870 Mk.1 this entire argument will be moot.

mossberg came up with the 590 to compete against a bone stock 870. then the Marines decided the 870 wasn't beefy enough out of the box and re-designed it into the MK.1

590 vs 870 is a fair comparison. 590 vs MK.1 and the MK.1 wins hands down.

if I ever win the lottery I'll buy an extra MK.1 and a 590 and then Grammerton and I can take turns shootin and clubbing sandbags with them and we'll do a true endurance test.

I'm betting we'd hit well over 10k rounds without a misfire that wasn't due to ammo.

[zorkieo]

i knew my statment would be very charged. i should have been much more specific. i said "crap," and didint really mean that. for tacticle use, i would also get a moss. but for some skeet or trap, i dont konw if anything works better then an 870 (dollar for dollar). just my thoughts. and im sorry to moss owners, because i do respect it more then my origonal comment might sugjest.

[grammaton76]

yeah . . . as if you're gonna run somebody or thing through with it

Well, if you have a soft spot for historical weapons, the bayonet lug is kinda neat.

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh04-e.htm

And if folks wish to bash Mossberg for the "mall-ninjaness" of the bayonet lug, they have but to read below to discover their beloved 870's have indeed had bayonet lugs available as well.

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh17-e.htm

[Cardinal Sin]

U.S.N. Uses both and I can say that both perform just fine. Just depends on where you like your safety. I would use either one. But I also love my Winchester 1300 Defender . . . .think its time to buy an Ithaca

[AJAX22]

Oh if any of you guys have one of those magazine tube extension/bayonette lug adapters that came in the police kits along with the factory folding stock, I'll gladly take it off your hands.

and mall ninja or not, having a bayonette on a close quarters weapon with a limited ammo capacity isn't exactly a bad idea. shotguns dont reload very quickly.

[CALI-gula]

Today's incidents in Virginia made me reflect on my own time in college, and your post solidified my willingness to share recollections.

I really wanted a shotgun, especially when traveling the long rural roads in the middle of nowhere to the college, let alone as a good self-defense tool on campus, because some of the weirdest confrontational bullcrap I ever encountered happened in college. So, upon graduation from high school, the Mossberg 500 18.5" barreled cruiser at $129 NEW was a great deal. It was inexpensive self-defense AND I STILL OWN IT, it has never failed me.


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[Cardinal Sin]

and mall ninja or not, having a bayonette on a close quarters weapon with a limited ammo capacity isn't exactly a bad idea. shotguns dont reload very quickly.

Spoken like a true student of the ninjafication arts Close quarters weapon . . . I'm thinking handgun, baton, edged weapon. Shotty gets used at a distance if gven the option. I'll clear the house with my handgun. Less restrictive and troublesome than a long barrel for someone to use for leverage . . . not that I havent trained and seen that happen to a student . . .

[DedEye]

My Mossberg 590A1 was my first gun and I love it. I plan on adding an 870 to the collection one day, but I'm happy with the choice I made. Since I don't shoot skeet or trap either, the 590A1 is better suited to me than any stock 870.

[soopafly]

M14 beats the M16 hands down!!!
1911s rule, so why bother with a Glock!?!?
MP5!!!...Uzi!!!
Less filling!!!....Taste's great!!!
blondes!!!...brunettes!!!
Chevy!!!...Ford!!!
anchovies!!!...no anchovies!!!
the glass is half empty!!!...half full!!!
deal!!!...no deal!!!!



<crickets chirping>


wait a minute...


...am I in the right thread?


...what am I doing here!?!?


...who ARE you people!?!?!?!?


(ETA: more sarcasm)

[MedSpec65]

i knew my statment would be very charged. i should have been much more specific. i said "crap," and didint really mean that. for tacticle use, i would also get a moss. but for some skeet or trap, i dont konw if anything works better then an 870 (dollar for dollar). just my thoughts. and im sorry to moss owners, because i do respect it more then my origonal comment might sugjest.

You don't have to apologize. I've got no complaints about my 870 Express with XS ghost-rings and the Knoxx Comp-Stock. If I can't handle a threat with five or six rounds of Hornady 00 Buck/Tap FPD and Federal PowerShok HP slugs I'm way over my head anyway. One of these days I'll get out the Dremel tool and fix the capacity problem, but it's way down on my list. The trap and skeet shooters might disagree, but if I was into that stuff I'd probably pay big bucks for a classy shotgun.

[Cardinal Sin]

As long as it goes bang and throws lead in the direction you want it then it's good enough. All shotguns, for the most part, do the same thing. Launch a payload towards the target. How much you want to pay for the launcher is up to you. These days, most name brand gun makers put forth a quality product. The rest is just details. As long as you are happy . . .who cares what you buy.

[MedSpec65]

M14 beats the M16 hands down!!!
1911s rule, so why bother with a Glock!?!?


<crickets chirping>


wait a minute...


...am I in the right thread?


...what am I doing here!?!?


...who ARE you people!?!?!?!?

Yeah, the M14. Remember it well. I was issued one as a Medic at Ft. Campbell in the early sixties. I was good at demolishing the roof just above the target with it, but then I only weighed about 150 LBS. Some of my rounds probably landed on the moon. I kind of miss that cannon though. I'd try a little harder if I could get my hands on one today. I agree with you about the 1911A1. These modern pistolsmithing achievements are amazing. Still the best close-combat pistol of all time.

[AJAX22]

Spoken like a true student of the ninjafication arts Close quarters weapon . . . I'm thinking handgun, baton, edged weapon. Shotty gets used at a distance if gven the option. I'll clear the house with my handgun. Less restrictive and troublesome than a long barrel for someone to use for leverage . . . not that I havent trained and seen that happen to a student . . .

yeah well... hang out with some of these guys long enough I guess a bit of ninjaism rubbs off on you (anyone know of a good solvent for it?)

I guess the 'close' in close quarters is a relatie term. when I think of it I'm thinking of suburbia down here in LA, where the longest shoot you'd ever have to consider (in the middle of a riot even) is about half a block.

perhapse I should have said intermediate ranged weapon with a +1 kinetic energy damage against unarmoured targets....

[mcubed4130]

I've got no complaints about my 870 Express with XS ghost-rings and the Knoxx Comp-Stock. If I can't handle a threat with five or six rounds of Hornady 00 Buck/Tap FPD and Federal PowerShok HP slugs I'm way over my head anyway.

I took a Home Defense class a few weeks ago... My mossy is 5+1 w/5 extra on the stock (11 shots) you would THINK... would be fine... leave it to my instructor to come up with - The SHTF "gang members" show up... 3 break into the bedroom, 2 at the front door, yer neighbors daughter held hostage in the driveway across the street by 1 more, and another 3 on the neighbors driveway next to you once you are at the front porch. Needless to say... everyone in the class quickly learned combat loading a shotgun!

One of these days I'll get out the Dremel tool and fix the capacity problem, but it's way down on my list. The trap and skeet shooters might disagree, but if I was into that stuff I'd probably pay big bucks for a classy shotgun.

That is the primary reason I didn't get the Remington. I didn't want to be in the find the Dremel tool, and hope I do it right... vs. the Mossberg, unscrew old - and screw in new... or gee whats this silly hole here... OH it's threaded for... any of THESE accessories in this LARGE list...

-M3