2nd. Amendment Rights and My Shotgun?

[aippi]

Had he simply posted the issue and not made a comment that is not only untrue but insulted many members of this site, he would have been treated differently. Of course it is his mind set now, read the way he put it. He put the issue in the post not the guys responding. As for the statement "that was forty years ago". I have friend that live with it every day of thier life and they pay in ways some of us will never know or want to know. They have paid because they did the right thing, so if he pays for doing the wrong thing, so be it.

[UziDoesIt]

In 1969 I was a "civil disobedience" draft resister and not wanting to be a part of burning women and children in the governments current war of the times, I refused to go!

Please tell me you meant to say that 'at the time I thought I would be burning women and children'. Because if all these years later you are still convinced that that's all our brave men who didn't dodge the draft did, then you are one brainwashed, sad being.

[joepamjohn]

Yikes!!! Welcome to Calguns anyway. Get a hold of a good Firearms Law Attorney and he he get you straightened out. It probably won't be much more than a letter or two sent off to the right people.

I attached a web link to a guy that helped a buddy of mine with a similar situation. He is based in So Cal but he has a partner (Eric Archer) who is Bay Area based.

Oh, I see you are in SD so you won't need a Bay Area connection.



His name is Bruce. He and Eric are normally set up at the Reno gun show if you ever go there.

Good luck

https://www.gunlaw.com

[RolinThundr]

...The guy has a pardon and should be treated as though it didn't happen. They don't just hand those things out...

Clinton did.

[joepamjohn]

Clinton did.

Clinton did alright!

Who didn't Clinton did?

[Chatterbox]

I think the gent is referring to the blanket pardon issued by Carter to vast majority of people who evaded the draft.

[phamkl]

Show a little more respect to our soldiers. I don't appreciate the blanket condemnation of the men fighting [willing or unwilling] for my kin. As far as I know, Calguns looks down on such ignorant disrespect.

I respect that the OP did not want to fight what I don't feel was America's war, but he demonized a worthy cause, dismissed the bravery of American soldiers, and instead accused them wholesale of burning women and children. I can't say that US forces in Viet Nam were blameless, but I assure you, the VC were infinitely worse. The US presence in Viet Nam protected the south from widespread VC atrocities, and was a good thing. The whole of the burning of women and children happened without a single US soldier.

It's cute that you turn around and accuse us of laying down before the government if asked. That's neither here nor there. If you were paying attention, people are fairly disinterested in the dissent issue and draft dodging issue. As far as I can tell, Calguns vociferously defend those who defend us, and that is what you are seeing.

I just personally have more beef than that because people like him who think like that, lost me my parents' country. More than that, he insulted the men who were sent to fight for my parents' rights even before they were Americans. Needless to say my respect and gratitude to them are immense.

[Scarecrow Repair]

True patriots stand up for others

All you fake patriots condemning someone else in the name of freedom astound me with your hypocrisy.

The first amendment is necessary precisely for the ugly speech, not the speech that backs the government. People who shout at the government are far braver than those who shout them down in the name of the government.

I'll take Muhammed Ali's bravery over the lack of it shown here any day.

[joepamjohn]

I think the gent is referring to the blanket pardon issued by Carter to vast majority of people who evaded the draft.

I know what he was refering too. Just trying to add a little humor to this thread.

[ConcernedCitizen]

I'll take Muhammed Ali's bravery over the lack of it shown here any day.

IIRC, Ali served time for his mistake. I don't think he missed any court dates.

Those who make the same decision under threat of penalty are worthy of respect. If there's no threat of penalty, there's no honor.

[Chatterbox]

I know what he was refering too. Just trying to add a little humor to this thread.

I wonder why he thinks that he was pardoned by Nixon...?

[dilligaffrn]

IMHO you are a coward for not serving your country when called.

If you are not a felon I hope you get your gun.

If you are a felon, go pack sand you...

[Scarecrow Repair]

Brand loyalty and tribalism suck

This country needs more independent thinkers and fewer followers. If a few generals and admirals had stood up to LBJ and told him what they had told each other, and carried out the muted threats to resign, the war might have never been fought or would have been fought more intelligently. Ditto for the Iraq war, ditto for Detroit building clunkers and losing market share because too many blind loyalists didn't want to tell them the truth, that their cars stank and needed to be better.

Start thinking for yourself. It doesn't take any guts to tell off the politicians you hate. It takes big brass ones to get up on your hind feet and tell the ones you like that they are screwing up and that you won't vote for them if they keep on screwing up. Telling them you will vote for them regardless of how much they screw up is betraying America.

[aippi]

Scarecrow, We know the guy is a liar as he did not get a Presidental Pardon signed by Nixon. when Carter granted a conditional pardon, it was not an apology to him from the United States Government as he states. Read the guys post and see how bogus it is before you support him and attack us. Can you understand what you read? Read it again, real slow and see how phoney it is and he is. How can you compare Ali to the guy that posted this. Ali had grounds based on his faith and his life accomplishments have proven he was a devote Muslum. And you, you spout amendment rights and think they are assured you for your life time. You only have them because others answered the call without question and did their duty. This country has never fought an unjust war in this Century and only the " Hate America First" bunch think that. You also have a first amendment right to call me a fake and a hypocrite but for you to call me and others who object to the comment such names when this man started this post by insulting not just us but our country, well that shows what you are made of and who you are. If you did not serve, you may not have been insulted, if you don't love this country, then you may not have been insluted. I did, I am and you also insult me. If you understood anything about how these rights came about and why they are still in place you would have never insulted the men that posted thier objection in this thread. You have your free speach but we are fakes and hypicrites because we voiced ours. You defend this liar and attack us. Let's finish this with a beer sumit, I'll bring the beer.

[Scarecrow Repair]

You don't know what you are talking about. The Tonkin Gulf incident which LBJ used to expand the Vietnam War was fraud, the first being an actual battle which was not only illegally sponsored by the US but also intentionally misreported to Congress, the second being a complete fraud from one end to the other. Nixon lied about his plans and killed a few more tens of thousands Americans to get elected. Bush I rescued a really bad dictatorship (the Saudi royalty) when a lesser dictator (Saddam) invaded Kuwait and threatened the Saudis. There was no other justification; it would be like backing Stalin because Hitler invaded Poland. Bush and Cheney leaned on the CIA until they got some pitiful fake evidence to support their nonsense claims, meanwhile letting the real enemy, Bin Laden and his merry band, get a free ride. He had to finish Daddy's war, after all.

All wasted, all useless, all pointless. Believe otherwise as you want, but you don't do anybody a favor by pulling a blanket over your head.

I'd like to know how many of the posters here, who insult someone (troll or not) for not being a solder, have been any closer to the military than a recruiting poster in the mall, and how many pulled a Dick Cheney -- he had "better things to do" five years running with his student deferments, yet people called Clinton a draft dodger for one year's schooling while ignoring Bush's draft dodging and desertion. Yes, he deserted -- he signed up for six years and walked away after 4. By the way, did you know LBJ and Nixon both got free rides in WW II and "won" medals just to get them out of the generals' hair? Scum doesn't stay within party lines.

You need to start calling all spades spades, not ignoring some because you like them. Why any thinking person thinks Bush and Cheney were friends of either the constitution or gun rights is beyond me. Democrats get slapped but not Republicans? All politicians are scum, and the sooner people treat them all as scoundrels, the better off this country will be.