Dickinson pump action shotgun? any good?

[gunsandrockets]

Why settle?

Why do you care so much about prone with a shotgun? Not being critical, honestly curious.

-- Michael

Have you ever manipulated a typical riot gun in the prone position? I had no clue it was so difficult and clumsy until I tried it myself. If I can readily fix such a serious flaw in a self-defense weapon, why wouldn't I?

[roostersgt]

Why buy something from turkey or china when you can get USA made stuff from Remington or Mossburg??
At least with these two you can get parts that will really fit and all sort of goodies if you want to hand a bunch of junk on your shotgun.

^^^Exactly. Big 5 has them on sale all the time. Parts are readily available and they are a known quality product. Why bother if you're only saving $20-$50?

[gunsandrockets]

Huh.

This looks like it might be made by Ottoman. ATI imports the TacPX2(pump) and TacSX2(semi) (both sold at Turners). I have the PX2 and it functions well. The issue with the firearms coming out of turkey for a low price is you are limited to adapting parts from more well known Manufacturers or running it the way you bought it. The only real thing you can easily upgrade on the PX2 is adding a rail and optics since it comes drilled and tapped. I would assume this comes the same way. The only think this shotgun has that my PX2 doesn't is the sling mounts.

EDIT: Also noticed the ATIs have 2 pins holding in the trigger group compared to one pin on the "Commando"

As I wrote, the "commando" receiver is not drilled and tapped. Not that that matters to me. Nice and simple, light and cheap is fine by me.

However, I did a little experiment with a Remington accessory I had laying around. Turns out that a magazine extension tube will screw right on the "commando". The fit isn't perfect because the magazine end cap of the "commando" is about twice as deep as a Remington's so half the threads are exposed. But with the addition of a spacer to cover the exposed threads I suspect the extension would work just fine.

[gunsandrockets]

The tragedy of premature posting

^^^Exactly. Big 5 has them on sale all the time. Parts are readily available and they are a known quality product. Why bother if you're only saving $20-$50?

Read the rest of the thread and you will find the answer to your question.

[Donnie562]

If you don't mind can you post some pics. I'm interested in what the finish is like since the barrel in the stock pictures looks really shiny

[SoCalXD]

Side note on shortening the M500A: The Magpul SGA Stock has great adjust-ability (especially toward the shorter side) and bridges the gap between traditional and pistol grip functionality (still provides easy access to the top safety). As for the forend, the Knox/Blackhawk forend give you an extra 2" to the rear of forend if you really cant get a good hold on the Magpul forend (once I shortened the SGA to around 12" LOP, I had no problem getting a good grip on any standard combat length forend).

But yup, your right... pretty much got a new car shotgun for the price of those upgrades! Congrats!

[Snerk]

^^^Exactly. Big 5 has them on sale all the time. Parts are readily available and they are a known quality product. Why bother if you're only saving $20-$50?

One of my local Big 5's had a Dickinson for $209+tax/dros

I bought a Maverick 88 for $199+tax/dros....

That said if the Maverick wasn't on sale I likely would have bought the Dickinson, but I do like the idea of an American-made firearm, and it's interchangeability with the 500 is nice.

That said, the Dickinson felt roughly the same in my hands at least in terms of weight and "solidness", maybe if it turns out to be a decent shooter I may look in to one in the future.

[CandG]

Have you ever manipulated a typical riot gun in the prone position? I had no clue it was so difficult and clumsy until I tried it myself. If I can readily fix such a serious flaw in a self-defense weapon, why wouldn't I?

I think he meant, why are you trying to shoot it prone so much? Do you frequently take cover under the coffee table?

If you do, in fact, shoot prone so often that you need to buy a shotgun specifically with that task in mind, why don't you sell the Mossberg you don't like, the other tacticool shotgun that you only sort of like, add in the $200 you're wanting to spend on the Dickenson that you'll probably only sort of like, and buy yourself a $500 semi-auto such as a Mossberg 930?

I think a lot of us are just curious why on earth prone shotgunning is of any relevance, as it's pretty uncommon for anyone to do it unless you're trying to make a long-range slug shot while taking enemy fire or something.

[gunsandrockets]

Magpul

Side note on shortening the M500A: The Magpul SGA Stock has great adjust-ability (especially toward the shorter side) and bridges the gap between traditional and pistol grip functionality (still provides easy access to the top safety). As for the forend, the Knox/Blackhawk forend give you an extra 2" to the rear of forend if you really cant get a good hold on the Magpul forend (once I shortened the SGA to around 12" LOP, I had no problem getting a good grip on any standard combat length forend).

But yup, your right... pretty much got a new car shotgun for the price of those upgrades! Congrats!

Thanks!

Before I stumbled across the Dickinson, I was planning on buying that Magpul stock for the 500A. And possibly a 500 hunting model wood forend to get more reach, since I couldn't find any Benelli-style forend for the Mossberg.

[gunsandrockets]

Again?

I think he meant, why are you trying to shoot it prone so much? Do you frequently take cover under the coffee table?

If you do, in fact, shoot prone so often that you need to buy a shotgun specifically with that task in mind, why don't you sell the Mossberg you don't like, the other tacticool shotgun that you only sort of like, add in the $200 you're wanting to spend on the Dickenson that you'll probably only sort of like, and buy yourself a $500 semi-auto such as a Mossberg 930?

I think a lot of us are just curious why on earth prone shotgunning is of any relevance, as it's pretty uncommon for anyone to do it unless you're trying to make a long-range slug shot while taking enemy fire or something.

I thought I had answered the question quite thoroughly already.

It isn't a matter of "shoot prone so often that you need to buy a shotgun specifically for that task". The issue is -- avoiding ending up seriously compromised if the need EVER arises of firing in the prone position.

Sure that circumstance might be uncommon or even rare. But why should I settle for such a flaw in a self-defense weapon?

[gunsandrockets]

camera time

If you don't mind can you post some pics. I'm interested in what the finish is like since the barrel in the stock pictures looks really shiny

Heh, the only camera I have is a crappy flip phone. I really need to invest in a decent digital camera considering all the weapons I need to sell online.

[CandG]

I thought I had answered the question quite thoroughly already.

It isn't a matter of "shoot prone so often that you need to buy a shotgun specifically for that task". The issue is -- avoiding ending up seriously compromised if the need EVER arises of firing in the prone position.

Sure that circumstance might be uncommon or even rare. But why should I settle for such a flaw in a self-defense weapon?

What about selling your first two shotguns that you don't seem to like all that much, not buying a 3rd mediocre gun, and use the $$ to buy something more practical like the 930 semi-auto I recommended above? It was a legit recommendation, I wasn't making fun of you. Semi would be way easier than pump in a prone position. 3 wrongs don't always make a right, but 1 right makes a right. Can't guarantee it'll be what you're looking for either, just a suggestion for something else to look into, even though I realize you already DROS'd your new one.

[roostersgt]

Read the rest of the thread and you will find the answer to your question.

What did I miss that makes you question my recommendation? I don't believe it's simply a re-badged" Mossberg 500, if that's what you think I've missed. I seriously doubt many of the important parts are interchangeable and also doubt it is built to the same tolerances / standards as the Mossbergs, or Remmingtons.

[jdben92883]

You do understand that some Mossbergs are made in Turkey, right?

As are all of the CZ double guns.

Why buy something from turkey or china when you can get USA made stuff from Remington or Mossburg??
At least with these two you can get parts that will really fit and all sort of goodies if you want to hand a bunch of junk on your shotgun.

[elSquid]

Have you ever manipulated a typical riot gun in the prone position?

Manipulated? I've never even shot a 12 gauge from the elbows-in-the dirt prone position. I would imagine that with normal 00 or slugs and a 7ish pound 12 gauge that it would really suck. When you train for this how many rounds do you go through in a session before you've had enough?

If I can readily fix such a serious flaw in a self-defense weapon, why wouldn't I?

I guess that I don't see it as a critical flaw.

Like Hopeton wrote, if you really need to shoot from the ground you can roll to a side and shoot from there.

But when will you really need to? A shotgun is essentially a short range firearm, and in any sort of civilian context going prone takes time and costs mobility...so why go prone? For example, I can't really think of a HD scenario where going prone is really preferable to just moving and/or shooting.

Now there are definitely instances where going to ground with a shotgun would made sense - say for a patrol officer shooting under a car being used as cover - but for Joe Average I just don't see it as something to be that concerned about.

-- Michael