Not sure what happened

[CSACANNONEER]

You are correct. Duds are somewhat common in rimfire. it is easy to get complacent and think, oh another dud, and just clear it. It was stupid to do that.
On another note....do you ever post anything in a nice way. Everything I see from you is very insulting. I have been shooting for many decades. so your comment about training is based on your ignorance. You don't need to treat fellow calgunners in the manner in which you so often do. To each his own I guess. Perhaps if you were to get some mental therapy, it would go a long way to your overall happiness and you wouldn't feel the need to be such a D*ck

Yea, I know I come off harsh, rough and/or Aholeish sometimes and I apologize for that. Hell, I have introduced myself in person to many calgunners as the biggest Ahole on calguns. I've even done that in front of Kes and watched him snicker about it.

You said that you were not sure what happened so, I went with it and figured that you did not have the knowledge, experience or training to know what happened. Complacency is another issue all together. I know that I get complacent about shooting more than I care to admit so, I understand (not condone) when anyone, including myself, is complacent.

30 seconds? Every hunter safety and gun safety course I have been too has instructed the students to count to 10 in thousands or about 10 seconds. I have been to at least 4 hunter safety courses and 2 personal defense classes. Admittedly this was over 10 years ago. Has the information changed?

At FCSA matches we use the 30 second rule. Then again, there's A LOT of powder in a round of 50BMG. However, I've personally experienced hangfires in small cartridges like 7.92 and 30-06 which detonated between 10 and 20 seconds after the primer was hit. So, while most people may use a ten second rule, I prefer a 30 second waiting period. Of course, I also understand that there are some circumstances where the shooter will want to violate this rule and not wait at all. I don't have a problem with that as long as the shooter understands and assumes all risks associated with not waiting. Actual self defense, hunting and competitions are three possible reasons one might decide to eject and rechamber a round without waiting.

Edit: I just happened on this thread where the OP waited 30 seconds.

[audiophil2]

I wait 30 seconds. I usually talk a walk or load a mag while waiting. Just sitting there waiting is what makes 10 seconds turn into a real time 5 seconds or less.

[56tchr]

question

Gents, Interesting discussion, but I have a question. You wait an appropriate amount of time after a hangfire/dud ... lets assume it's a dud ... you extract said dud round .... what is an appropriate/safe way to rid yourself of said dud round ? Thank you in advance and have a Merry Christmas !

[Occams Rasor]

After the wait period, I generally load it in another gun rotating it 180deg and
try again. I just want to get rid of it. If it fails to fire again, wait, then most ranges have a bucket for duds.

[Brunoboy]

^^^^THIS
Rule is wait 10 sec. before opening the chamber. Hang fires are rare, but
(as you now know) do happen.
Thank you for posting your experience. People do not believe this can happen (Hang fire) and it can be very dangerous. Now they will believe.

Hang fires are recommended 30 secs minimum by the state to wait.

[BigFatGuy]

After the wait period, I generally load it in another gun rotating it 180deg AROUND THE LONGITUDINAL AXIS and
try again. I just want to get rid of it. If it fails to fire again, wait, then most ranges have a bucket for duds.

FIFY. Can't be too careful these days. :-)

[SonofWWIIDI]

If you are so impatient that you can't wait 10-30 seconds, at least open the action pointed in a safe direction.

[cbright1]

I would rather have him be a dick than loose a finger or an eye. Your post is more insulting than his, calling him ignorant and saying he needs therapy. Ignorance is lack of knowledge or information...take a class, decades of experience and you made a basic mistake because of ignorance.

I would rather sit next to him on a firing line than you any day.

The ignorance on my part was admitted in the response to him. He was ignorant because he made assumptions and he wasn't there. since he wasn't there, he doesn't know all of the details, so therefore he is ignorant. this isn't the first time he has had this attitude and that is why the response from me was the way it was. I in fact would go on to say, he is never helpful without an insult thrown in there and I would not be the only one. I do think he could benefit from therapy, more so than I would from another shooting class. There was never and chance of a finger getting blown off. The muzzle was always pointed in a safe direction and I never let go of the firearm. I did not immediately rack it, but did not wait 30 seconds. Additionally, I am not convinced it was a hangfire, in fact, I doubt it. It appeared as though it did not fire until I pulled back on the bolt. and then it fired and broke out where the extractor is. I think there may have been a possibility the extractor cause the ignition. I have taken several shooting classes of the course of 35 or so years. In all that time, hang fires are only lightly discussed. If I observed another shooter that was impatient and did not wait the full 30 seconds when a round did not go off, I certainly would not say "please take some shooting classes" That is not done to be helpful, it is done to be a d*ck. since he wants to be a D*ck, he has accomplished that.

[cbright1]

I wait 30 seconds. I usually talk a walk or load a mag while waiting. Just sitting there waiting is what makes 10 seconds turn into a real time 5 seconds or less.

Are you saying you set the gun down and walk away? I stay in the shooting position, maintaining my target, then rack the round. If it goes off, I maintain the "never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy" theme.

[CSACANNONEER]

The ignorance on my part was admitted in the response to him. He was ignorant because he made assumptions and he wasn't there. since he wasn't there, he doesn't know all of the details, so therefore he is ignorant. this isn't the first time he has had this attitude and that is why the response from me was the way it was. I in fact would go on to say, he is never helpful without an insult thrown in there and I would not be the only one. I do think he could benefit from therapy, more so than I would from another shooting class. There was never and chance of a finger getting blown off. The muzzle was always pointed in a safe direction and I never let go of the firearm. I did not immediately rack it, but did not wait 30 seconds. Additionally, I am not convinced it was a hangfire, in fact, I doubt it. It appeared as though it did not fire until I pulled back on the bolt. and then it fired and broke out where the extractor is. I think there may have been a possibility the extractor cause the ignition. I have taken several shooting classes of the course of 35 or so years. In all that time, hang fires are only lightly discussed. If I observed another shooter that was impatient and did not wait the full 30 seconds when a round did not go off, I certainly would not say "please take some shooting classes" That is not done to be helpful, it is done to be a d*ck. since he wants to be a D*ck, he has accomplished that.

I was not "ignorant". I had all the facts that YOU thought were important enough to post. If you negligently or deliberately neglected to include all relevant information, it's on you.

In a later post, you admitted to being complacent instead of ignorant. That I can completely understand and have been guilty of more times than I care to admit.

I really doubt that the extractor hit the rim with enough force to detonate the round. But, stranger things have happened. I have a friend who merely touched a protruding centerfire primer and it blew up in his hand so, anything is possible. Personally, I would either go with a hangfire or dirt in the firing pin channel that held the firing pin back and happened to let go when the bolt opened. But, both of those are just assumptions.

[readysetgo]

Take the butthurt to PM guys! It's lame and OT.

I am guessing the extractor somehow caused the round to fire when I pulled back on the bolt. The brass blow out was the most extreme where the extractor is.

The extractor setting off the primer is one of the least probable examples. Hangfire is the most probable.

Somebody already mentioned the extractor is the least supported area, so that's what you were seeing there. If you suspect the extractor, you should be inspecting other fired cases and see if there's anything abnormal with them.

[LarsoBeach]

In a possible hang fire situation, one must be safe. One should:

A: Do Not cycle the bolt.
B: Place the entire weapon into a large container which is full of water and let soak.
C: Contact HASMAT immediately so they can access whether there is a need for a bomb squad.
LOL

I gotta side with the OP on this one. Give him a break. People respond better to constructive criticism than they do to abusive terminology. One can make a point without sticking it in someones eye.

[Garv]

I meet a lot of polite people at gun ranges and gun stores then they show up on Calguns and give each other crap. You can be polite and be constructive and still get the message across. We are supposed to be working together. Here and elsewhere I only throw crap after it's been thrown at me. kumbaya....

[cbright1]

I meet a lot of polite people at gun ranges and gun stores then they show up on Calguns and give each other crap. You can be polite and be constructive and still get the message across. We are supposed to be working together. Here and elsewhere I only throw crap after it's been thrown at me. kumbaya....

Exactly!!! We should be helpful. it is my belief that the "ole timers" on here that really come down hard on others are very much responsible for our gun rights problems. No matter how much money the NRA and other gun rights groups spend, it doesn't come close to effectiveness of that of the social network. When mean spirited "know it alls" push people away from forums like these, it really hurts the cause. If you don't believe that, then ask yourself why there are more than enough gun owners to vote to take control of the California legislation, but it doesn't happen. It's because most don't care. They don't care because the word hasn't been spread and the word isn't getting out there because of the attitudes within this forum and others that miss no opportunity to make a person feel bad. It needs to stop. I know this is going off topic, but it is related to the issue of this thread.

[1badjack68]

I just have one question , what brand of ammo? I've had this happen to me twice and both times it was the same ammo brand. Sorry if I missed it in the post.