.22 for defense

[RuskieShooter]

facts vs armchair commandos..... stats win


http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/handgun-stopping-power

There is something wrong with that chart... .22 > .38spl and 9mm and .22 = .357mag???

I'm pretty sure that's not accurate.

-Ruskie

[oddball]

John Hinckley used a .22 revolver in his attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan. With his six shots, he made James Brady (direct shot to head) an invalid and almost killed Reagan with a ricochet shot to his lung.

.22 spoiled a lot of lives that day.

[Cato]

22lr is an excellent choice. Look at all the damage in the ballistic gel and all those folks killed with a 22lr. People seem to think it's a BB gun because it's has a soft recoil and isn't as loud and their ninja tactifool .45 ACP. The blast and flash of a centerfire round in a confined space like a hallway or bedroom is too much for most folks to handle.

[SB1964]

IMO, Any caliber is better than nothing. That said, If I had a choice, say in my Apt, it's gonna be a 12 Gauge. Would I use a .22 if I had to? Absolutely! In regards to "flash" I'd suggest taking a course with your AR, that involves limited/no light. I shot my Noveske in the dark & couldn't believe how effective the Hider was!!! NO problem with vision, or follow up shots. Rifles, Hiders & Ammo can & will vary.

[pennys dad]

There are tons of opinions on this topic and i can only offer my thought.

1. If all I could reach or what was easiest to reach was a fully loaded 22LR, I would grab it and use it.

2. If I had a choice between grabbing a 22LR vs a shotgun or pistol in high caliber, I would reach for the shoutgun or pistol or carbine rifle

If you need to think it through to plan the right caliber and ammo combo, follow the link. They FBI has a very intense test criteria, please consider in your choice your living location (apartment, condo, other, cave) in the decision. You do not want over penetration.

FBI Ammo Penetration test Criteria

[44fred]

If we lived in a perfect world we wouldn't be having this discussion. That said, I have another spin on the over penetration thing. We know for a fact that drive buys kill people in their homes all the time. Now assuming most of those shots did not enter the home through an open window, I would have to think they went through exterior walls before hitting someone on the inside.
What I do not know is how many unintended people are struck from bullets fired in a home defense situation, through walls or due to over penetration after hitting the bad guy.
What I'm saying is, every time the home defense caliber discussion comes up, people always bring over penetration into the discussion. It seems logical that you would worry about it but is there really an issue here? I mean how many times has it happened? I can't find any stats at all.

[Socaliente]

Newb question, Can I shoot 22lr hollow point thru a ruger 10/22 takedown?

[pennys dad]

The FBI evaluate ammunition with pistol based on it's penetration through an obstacle through clothes and depth of penetration into target. This method was developed because of the Miami shoot Out which ended in FBI Agents dying because the 10mm round penetrated car doors, person and car doors, it over penetrated. I have also seen the results of over penetration in my stupid teenage years.
I figure it this way, does over penetration happen, yes, does it always happen, no, should I plan for it to reduce its possibility of happening, yes. It seems like a good way to reduce accidental injury or death.

[44fred]

I wonder what type of bullet they were using? This chart does not include car doors, just gel and goats. Check out the penetration of the 45ACP 230gr FMJ. Seems the 10MM mushrooms really well with hollow points given its speed.

[44fred]

Oops

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm

[Socalman]

While I would not reach first for .22 for self defense it is a lethal round. It is what killed Robert F. Kennedy and almost killed Ronald Reagan. Just keep pulling the trigger until the threat is neutralized.

[KLD83]

Ruger LCR 22 magnum! :-)

The meat:


Review:

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-LCR22Mag.htm

The pic:

anxiously awaiting this to be CA approved! Supposed to be able to get our hands on them in March....If this really is all it's been talked up to be this would be my EDC weapon. Super excited over this one!

[003]

This is not at all accurate. No agent involved in the shoot out used a 10mm. The 10mm was developed because of the lack of penetration of the 9mm's that were used.

The FBI evaluate ammunition with pistol based on it's penetration through an obstacle through clothes and depth of penetration into target. This method was developed because of the Miami shoot Out which ended in FBI Agents dying because the 10mm round penetrated car doors, person and car doors, it over penetrated. I have also seen the results of over penetration in my stupid teenage years.
I figure it this way, does over penetration happen, yes, does it always happen, no, should I plan for it to reduce its possibility of happening, yes. It seems like a good way to reduce accidental injury or death.

[finloq]

+1
The man makes the gun not the other way round.

+2, you can kill with a thumb tack if you have the talent.

[VegasND]

Umm...okay.

+2, you can kill with a thumb tack if you have the talent.

I think I'll stick with my more traditional means of defence.