Calling all Phoenix HP22a owners

[mnh327]

My understanding is that you're never supposed to dry-fire a rimfire gun.

The 22a doesn't lock the slide back after the last round is fired.. doesn't that mean that unless you count your shots, you end up dry-firing with every mag?

[jackandblood]

In the name of absolute piece of mind I think making sure your rimfire is unloaded trumphs firing pin wear. I think, but am not certain, rimfire mfgs refer to dry firing more in the sense of frivolous dry firing.

[joeyant]

How much is a firing pin replacement? Two dollars? Three dollars? Five dollars? Ten dollars? I would rather pull the trigger 11 times for every time I shoot a ten round magazine and have the last trigger pull go "click" than have an accidental discharge.

[mnh327]

Ok..

Let's get off the accidental discharge trail.

I'm posting to see if that's indeed how it works with this pistol, that's all. And to see if there are workarounds, or how many 10-round mags before the firing pin needs changing.

Based on the design, I'm surprised nothing turned up in the reviews regarding requiring frequent firing pin exchange.

[Ergo the Qualmed]

Check and see if the FP is somehow given a block of some sort to prevent damage. I do believe that the 10/22 has an FP block and can be dry fired because of it.

Also, a primary concern is scratching the chamber, not just firing pin damage.

[XDRoX]

My understanding is that you're never supposed to dry-fire a rimfire gun.

Absolutely not. There are a few, a very few, that it could damage, but it's fine to dry fire the vast majority of them.

I have over ten 22's and I dry fire all of them except my P22.

[mnh327]

Absolutely not. There are a few, a very few, that it could damage, but it's fine to dry fire the vast majority of them.

I have over ten 22's and I dry fire all of them except my P22.

How do you know which are ok? Will it say in the manual?

It's funny how you get such varying opinions with regards to this stuff. I've had a gun shop tell me you're not supposed to take apart a ruger mark III. He actually laughed at the idea, brought his body over, and they both had a good laugh that someone would do that.

[Whatisthis?]

Absolutely not. There are a few, a very few, that it could damage, but it's fine to dry fire the vast majority of them.

I have over ten 22's and I dry fire all of them except my P22.

I thought dry firing the P22 with the safety on was ok... do you just choose not to? Sorry, guess it's a thread jack. But yes, xdrox hit it on the dot for the most part.

[joeyant]

I don't see any firing pin block on mine. It just sits there free floating. I have dry fired my HP22A so many times just fooling around with the slide rack after I opened it up and modded the internals to get rid of the stupid California safeties that came with the pistol which rendered the gun practically worthless.

Anyway, I don't concern myself with the cost of the firing pin because a) the gun is so affordable anyway, I got mine with 2 barrels for like 150 bucks and b) Phoenix Arms will gladly repair or replace your pistol for free for life!

I love mine. Never a FTF or FTE in the last 750 rounds with a mix of ammo. Like I said, it was the infernal safeties that turn off most people on this pistol but once you defeat them, the pistol acts and behaves like any other SA pistol.

[mnh327]

OMG - you're right about those safeties! Actually makes the gun less safe, because you don't know what the heck is going on.

I read the book, and states specifically do not dry fire this gun.

I don't see any firing pin block on mine. It just sits there free floating. I have dry fired my HP22A so many times just fooling around with the slide rack after I opened it up and modded the internals to get rid of the stupid California safeties that came with the pistol which rendered the gun practically worthless.

[JeffM]

In the name of absolute piece of mind I think making sure your rimfire is unloaded trumphs firing pin wear. I think, but am not certain, rimfire mfgs refer to dry firing more in the sense of frivolous dry firing.

How much is a firing pin replacement? Two dollars? Three dollars? Five dollars? Ten dollars? I would rather pull the trigger 11 times for every time I shoot a ten round magazine and have the last trigger pull go "click" than have an accidental discharge.

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WTF kind of retard doesn't check the chamber before setting the gun down after firing?

Unless I'm doing some rapid fire/drills I usually count my rounds down range so I don't drop the hammer on an empty chamber.

Because rimfire guns have an offset firing pin, the FP will strike the edge of the chamber when empty. It will start to peen the chamber and cause a burr to form. I've got a 60+ year old High Standard that clearly shows this happening. There are tools out there to ream or swage the chamber out to eliminate this, but I haven't found this necessary on any of my firearms. Theoretically dry firing may also damage the firing pin, but I've never seen it happen. If it does, Phoenix will take care of it.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. By the time something like that might happen, you'll have received your money's worth from the gun 10 fold.

[XDRoX]

How do you know which are ok? Will it say in the manual?

It's funny how you get such varying opinions with regards to this stuff. I've had a gun shop tell me you're not supposed to take apart a ruger mark III. He actually laughed at the idea, brought his body over, and they both had a good laugh that someone would do that.

I don't know if it would say in the manual or not. Once I have taken a gun apart and see how it works I decide if I should dry fire it or not. That and years of reading online forums. So unfortunately I don't know if your gun can be safely dry fired, but I'd bet it could, especially if the slide doesn't stay back after the last round. No way do they expect people to count.

I thought dry firing the P22 with the safety on was ok... do you just choose not to? Sorry, guess it's a thread jack. But yes, xdrox hit it on the dot for the most part.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I do dry fire it with the safety on. Although I have seen pictures of a P22 safety breaking because of dry firing. I don't worry about it though.

With all my guns I'm not 100% sure that damage is not being done, but I will argue that the damage is so minimal, we'll be long dead before dry firing does any damage that needs repairing.

Life's too short to worry about dry firing IMO

[mnh327]

Are CCI Mini Mags ok to use in the hp22a?

[PA_10-22]

I've used mini mags in mine and they functioned flawlessly. Besides, if you are the original owner there's a lifetime warranty on it if something goes awry.

[jackandblood]

oh boy did he ever look authoritative calling other people retards. that took alot of guts there jeffM...

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WTF kind of retard doesn't check the chamber before setting the gun down after firing?

Unless I'm doing some rapid fire/drills I usually count my rounds down range so I don't drop the hammer on an empty chamber.

Because rimfire guns have an offset firing pin, the FP will strike the edge of the chamber when empty. It will start to peen the chamber and cause a burr to form. I've got a 60+ year old High Standard that clearly shows this happening. There are tools out there to ream or swage the chamber out to eliminate this, but I haven't found this necessary on any of my firearms. Theoretically dry firing may also damage the firing pin, but I've never seen it happen. If it does, Phoenix will take care of it.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. By the time something like that might happen, you'll have received your money's worth from the gun 10 fold.