Ruger Single Ten w/Shorter Barrel

[usmcchet9296]

Single actions should all be exempt

[prob]

Too bad about the front sight, though. I wish the manufacturers would do away with those god-awful abominations. Otherwise, I think it's a very nice looking revolver.

[tmh1]

The front sight is replaceable with a standard blade, and the "Firedots" on the rear sight can be dealt with partially with a Sharpie, or completely with a paint pen.

My eyes are old, and were never all that good to begin with. So I kind of like front fiberoptic sights for their utility (even if they don't look all that good).

[Whiterabbit]

Nice thing about sights is most of them are easily replaceable, and the rest are still replaceable, just painful. And from Williams to NECG and more, the market is wide open from cheap plastic to fine steel.

NECG makes the finest sights I have had the pleasure of working with.

[tmh1]

Well, I was able to go to my local FFL this morning to put my new gun into jail:



It is beautiful, and feels great in the hand. And tomorrow or early next week it will be going back to Ruger!

I had read plenty of stories about Ruger manufacturing quality going down the tubes, and had thought "Meh, I've had good luck with my Rugers." But when I arrived my FFL said - "Take a look at your gun. I pulled it out of its case to verify the S/N and it does not act right."

Sure enough, the trigger and cylinder were completely locked solid. My first thought was "base pin" (even though if that was not fully seated, it should still allow some travel of the hammer). Well, it was fully seated. So I opened the loading gate to free up the cylinder, but it would not turn. Take out the base pin and pull the cylinder from the frame. Well, the hammer seems to work fine now, maybe we're getting somewhere. Replace the cylinder and base pin - locked up.

O.K., open the loading gate and turn the cylinder. Any gap between it and the forcing cone? Yes, really small but I see light coming through. Turn the cylinder and it begins to loosen up. Not "slick" by any means, mind you, but turning freely. Close the loading gate and... Totally locked up. D'oh.

We found that we could get the gun to operate seemingly properly by doing the following:

1) Open the loading gate;
2) Turn the cylinder slightly in a CW direction, and pull back slightly on the hammer;
3) Close up the loading gate, turn the cylinder until it locks into place, and then pull back the hammer fully.

After this, the gun seems to operate correctly, pulling the hammer back and pulling the trigger (and only allowing the hammer to drop softly - this is a rimfire revolver after all) repeatedly seemed to work perfectly.

BUT: If you open the loading gate, spin the cylinder, close the loading gate and turn the cylinder to a lock position - Gun completely locked up again!

So... it looks like it will be more than 10 days before I can pick up and shoot my new revolver! I'm glad that this is just a play toy, and not something I was counting on to use in a match or something. I am sure that Ruger will make things right, and I will admit that there sure is a lot going on in a small area with a smallish 10 round revolver. But come on, not with my new toy!

[Whiterabbit]

From your description, you make it sound like the cylinder is supposed to rotate with the loading gate closed. I will of course assume you know exactly how the mechanics are supposed to work since you have other rugers.

Did you check the spring on the basepin? If it doesn't work, the transfer bar does not get pushed back, and will hang up on the firing pin. This will give you the symptom of a hammer that barely moves then stops. But the loading gate will still open and the cylinder spin freely for loading/unloading. But the hammer will never go back.

Unless you get the transfer bar to drop back via gravity or some other means to get the transfer bar to initially clear the firing pin. Then it'll go no problem.

[tmh1]

From your description, you make it sound like the cylinder is supposed to rotate with the loading gate closed. I will of course assume you know exactly how the mechanics are supposed to work since you have other rugers.

Did you check the spring on the basepin? If it doesn't work, the transfer bar does not get pushed back, and will hang up on the firing pin. This will give you the symptom of a hammer that barely moves then stops. But the loading gate will still open and the cylinder spin freely for loading/unloading. But the hammer will never go back.

Unless you get the transfer bar to drop back via gravity or some other means to get the transfer bar to initially clear the firing pin. Then it'll go no problem.

Yes, I do have experience with single action revolvers, including Rugers with transfer bars.

The part which Ruger calls the "cylinder stop assembly", which protrudes up from the base of the frame to catch the lugs in the cylinder, does seem to be working properly. When you open the loading gate it properly drops into the frame to allow the cylinder to rotate. When the cylinder is removed (and the gun is pointed upwards to allow the transfer bar to move freely/clearly), the hammer cocks correctly and the cylinder stop correctly retracts and extends with the cocking action.

The issue seems to be the timing of the pawl, which serves to physically rotate the cylinder on cocking. It seems like it might be hitting the wrong area of the ratchet on the rear of the cylinder. Like it is hitting a flat surface instead of in the notch which turns the cylinder. Like I said in my post above, there is a whole lot going on in a really small area with a 10-shot .22 revolver, and everything needs to be fairly precisely timed.

Probably something which could be fully diagnosed and maybe fixed with a file - but not for me on a brand new gun.

[Whiterabbit]

fair enough. I know Ruger will make it right for you. Let us know what it was, if Ruger sends you a report.

[cnj]

Sorry to hear of your troubles. Be patient. Ruger will take care of it. The gun will be worth the wait.

[tmh1]

Sorry to hear of your troubles. Be patient. Ruger will take care of it. The gun will be worth the wait.

Yeah, I'm in no specific hurry for this one - Have lots to shoot before I get it back.

I called Ruger yesterday when I got back from my FFL to set up the return for when I pick up the gun. They really seemed to have a preference for the gun to be sent back to them by my FFL, and he is a good friend so we just set it up that way. Guns got shipped back to Ruger today.

Yup, I did say "guns". I have one of their SASS sets of New Model Vaqueros, and after some practice, qualification and shooting one match, I started having non-firing rounds during my second match. No visible primer indentations at all in the rounds which would not fire. After the match when cleaning them up, I found that the bolt was not catching the cylinder properly, and the cylinder was rotating about 1-1/3 positions when the triggers were cocked quickly (like when shooting in competition). The hammer was coming down fine - it was just hitting between rounds!

Had heard that the NMV's were "bulletproof" and "built like tanks", but this started happening with both of them after less than 500 rounds fired. So since Ruger was paying to ship back the Single Ten, we got RMAs for the NMV's as well.

Hopefully all of the great stuff I have heard about Ruger's after the sale service is true. At least my FFL said that the process of getting the RMAs was smooth and easy.

[ucladude101]

I have a German copy of the ruger single six such an awesome plunker also has 22wmr cylinder


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[M1NM]

Sorry to hear of your troubles. Be patient. Ruger will take care of it. The gun will be worth the wait.

Wrong attitude. He paid good money and expected to get a quality working firearm. Yes Ruger will fix it everyone says they have great customer service. Now if only they would go back to great quality control. Ruger today is being run by the bean counters. How cheap can we build it? Where can we put more plastic parts? People with gun skills no longer build their guns. Working at Ruger has become a McJob. Take a part out of the bin in front of you stick it on the frame and push it to the next bored worker to stick his/her part on.
I have a rule that I won't buy any Ruger unless it was made before Bill Ruger died.

[jeffrice6]

Wrong attitude. He paid good money and expected to get a quality working firearm. Yes Ruger will fix it everyone says they have great customer service. Now if only they would go back to great quality control. Ruger today is being run by the bean counters. How cheap can we build it? Where can we put more plastic parts? People with gun skills no longer build their guns. Working at Ruger has become a McJob. Take a part out of the bin in front of you stick it on the frame and push it to the next bored worker to stick his/her part on.
I have a rule that I won't buy any Ruger unless it was made before Bill Ruger died.

Not questioning you, but is this opnion or is there documentation that Ruger has gone this route?

[cnj]

Wrong attitude. He paid good money and expected to get a quality working firearm. Yes Ruger will fix it everyone says they have great customer service. Now if only they would go back to great quality control. Ruger today is being run by the bean counters. How cheap can we build it? Where can we put more plastic parts? People with gun skills no longer build their guns. Working at Ruger has become a McJob. Take a part out of the bin in front of you stick it on the frame and push it to the next bored worker to stick his/her part on.
I have a rule that I won't buy any Ruger unless it was made before Bill Ruger died.

Dude, relax. All Manufacturers have issues from time to time. All of them, be it Walther, Smith, Glock, or Ruger. Ruger will for sure take care of the issue.
I can't speak to your points about Ruger being completely run by the bean counters, but reality is, ALL big companies have bean counters, and yeah, they absolutely have influence on product and manufacturing costs. No profit = no company.

[TKM]

I have a German copy of the ruger single six such an awesome plunker also has 22wmr cylinder


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Extremely unlikely. Is it a Rohm?