Nikon Warning!! JUNK JUNK JUNK

[Scotty]

I think this was the original thread, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=836824

Before blaming the optics, what kind of groups was the gun shooting? If two scopes aren't holding zero, how do you know it is not the gun?

[saki302]

I've had great luck with Nikon, from low to high end. The high end stuff is made in Japan, low end in the Philippines.

[.40CALIbear]

What happened to Murby?

[jdben92883]

...or the shooter.

I think this was the original thread, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=836824

Before blaming the optics, what kind of groups was the gun shooting? If two scopes aren't holding zero, how do you know it is not the gun?

[Murby]

First off, what was the problem with these two scopes that you are complaining about? A simple "I had to send two scopes to them because there were defective" is not enough. At least tell us what the problem was.

Regarding the math...ok...so the guys math might have been screwed up (maybe he had some bad Chinese food for lunch or something and mistyped the conversion) but you don't need to blast on a company like this without even giving up the whole story.

To me, it sounds like they replaced a perfectly good scope with another perfectly good scope and you don't know how to use it.

Unless you tell us a bit more what else are we supposed to believe?

I was trying not to bore everyone with the long drawn out story.. But I see your point.. Lets see if I can shorten it..

The problem with the scope(s) is that an 8 click adjustment (1/4 MOA/click) results in 4 to 5 inches of change in the point of impact at just 50 yards.
Eight clicks should result one inch at 50 yards.. not 4 or 5 inches.

What I have discovered is happening is that the scope is requiring about half a dozen shots and banging and tapping in between each round to get it to settle in and stabilize... Adjusting the turret(s) results in the point of impact constantly changing for the next half dozen rounds or so.. and sometimes even that's not enough.

And if I didn't include this info already, its a brand new 870 express with cantilever scope mount and a 23" rifled slug barrel, weaver grand slam steel rings, and nikon slughunter. Firing Hornady SST 300 grain slugs.

Sorry for my absence in not getting back to this thread sooner.... My bad..

[Murby]

Ive been shooting with Nikon (all) products for a good amount of time now. I (knock on wood) have never had an issue with an optic or electronics. Everything from scopes mounted on 22's, 12 ga, 300 Win, 450 marlin, 375 H&H, 50 BMG, and everywhere in between to rangefinders and binos even the little monarch red dot. I like Nikon quality..as I do Leupy, NF, the newer Bushnell, PR, S&B, and the Vortex Im taking to Nebraska next week.

Ive had my fair share across the board of optics and deal with all companies. It looks like Nikon replaced one scope and were working on another possible issue. Yes, numbers were confused there....4.5'' at 100 yards would be 18 1/4 clicks....at 50 yards 4.5'' would be 36 clicks (doubled). But hey, to be honest, I wrote the numbers down just now to double check myself.

I do remember from your last thread that you stated the ammunition was faulty. Did you do more tests with this? You said Hornady sent you more?

Also, what are these defects on the scopes?


Trevor B.

Hi Trevor,
Thanks for chiming in on this thread.

Hornady said ammo was good.. But I have to say, those loose slugs rattling in the sabot's are making a lot of really experienced hunters very nervous. Even a master gun smith I consulted was concerned about them.

I have to hand it to Hornady however.. Their engineer called me himself to explain what was going on, his test results, etc. Spent a good 20 minutes on the phone with me.

As for my scope, I have elaborated.. (look up one post above this and you'll see it in my reply).

I do know that Nikon has a history of making good products.. but seems to me that the last two years have a lot of complaints on the internet. Not sure what to make of it.

Talking to a gunsmith, they told me to exercise the turrets about 20 times to the limits of their travel and then reset back to zero. I was told that sometimes there are burrs inside that can affect the adjustment mechanics.

[Murby]

Murby, I thought the issue was the SST slugs being loose in the shell? I wish you had returned a PM/e-mail that I sent you and perhaps I could have helped you out so that you would be hunting with your shotgun right now. As I did with you, when I come across someone having a problem I do my best to help them work thru it right up to returning the scope if necessary. I am interested in what other problems you may have had with your scopes beside the inital getting on paper. I know the OP Specialist, Trevor, probably has some good information on these scopes. I know yours is the first one in the 4 years I have been doing PR work for Nikon to not work right. I know it may be to late, but if there is anything I can do to help out, let me know ?

Hi bman,
Thank you for your attempts to help. Sorry if I didn't get back to you.. I've only been able to deal with this sporadically as my time has been used up lately with normal work things.

I am going to go hunting with the gun in the morning (nov 15 is opening day here).
As my shooting area is less than 100 yards, and I've got the scope to settle in and stabilize at 1.5 inches right and zero elevation at 50 yards, I should be good enough to make a solid kill shot.

For now, I'm afraid to touch the turrets until I fill my tags.

[Murby]

...or the shooter.

Its not me.. but I understand how one may think it could be.

I'm actually a very good shot.. Bow or gun, doesn't matter.

I even have a military marksmanship award to prove it.. I was a rarity on the rifle range during basic training and shot a perfect score. Training instructor said they only see it once or twice a year.

It's not my aim.

Besides, a nervous blind man could shoot a bullseye at 50 yards. Give me a break...

[NytWolf]

Called Nikon, ended up in their email system and the Nikon repair guy wrote me this email: (copied and pasted)
Primarily, Nikon Prostaff and Slughhunter Riflescopes are set for precise Hand-turn 1/4-inch Click Adjustments at 100 yards, not 50. This may be where your problem lies, in this misunderstanding.

At 100 yards, four clicks would equal 1 inch of adjustment, thus, if you need to adjust 4.5 inches (the median of the numbers you provided) that would correlate to 4.5x4=18 clicks of adjustment at 100 yards.
If you need to make the same amount of adjustment at 50 yards, the values of the adjustment actually double to 1/2" per click. This means that to make 4.5 inches of adjustment at 50 yards, you would only need to make 4.5x2= 9 clicks of adjustment, in either windage or elevation.


Can you believe this garbage? These guys don't even understand basic MOA adjustments.

So here's the kicker....
My buddy bought a Nikon scope for his muzzle loader also. He had to send the scope back three times to get them to fix it.
Then he discovered his Nikon range finder was also defective and had to send that back too.

What's wrong about his MOA adjustments? His directions are correct for adjustments.

It seems to me you were biased from your friend's mishap.

[Murby]

What's wrong about his MOA adjustments? His directions are correct for adjustments.

It seems to me you were biased from your friend's mishap.

Who are you referring to as "his" ??

[postal]

Have you tried the scope on a rifle of known accuracy?

Slug guns arent exactly precision setups... and you questioning your ammo to boot......

After your hunt.... Thats the first thing I would do. Put it on a rifle, dial in zero, and shoot a box test.

That will confirm if the scope adjustments are working correctly or not.

[milleniumdude1999]

I have the same 870 setup sans nikon

Maybe the dude can shed some light on this from actaul experience with the slugs and the 870. Hornady slugs are the best IMHO. I have tested them all. Coreloc sabots are good too, but are much hotter. I have had best consistancy with Hornady. One cannot expect rifle style groups, 1" at 100 yards is darn good. It will drop whatever you hit quickly, they are leathally powerful. I feel your pain, they are expensive to train with and the learning curve is steep. My sincerest advice is to ditch the scope and put a red dot on it. Not that a scope wont work, but rather the shot gun is simply not that accurate. That said, it's accurate to minuteof dead dear, bear, piggy, or virtually any big game with 150 yards. Yea, I bought into the accuracy claims of the slugs in the beginning too.

Another thing is that slugs move slowly. A lot of experts says hold the barrel down tight on arest, or shootin sticks. I got that tip from the guy on the gun nuts (outdoor channel) and it worked.

They kick a bit and I have had my share of scope bite from them, but my cheap *** Walmart Tasco red dot works like a charm and no more bite for my old eyes. Honest answer, no BS. Merica! No prob. getting 1" groups if I do my part, but need to practice. It's not a .308, or facsimile. Excuse tablet typos.

[Dinosaur Jr]

I apologize if I missed it, but what shotgun is this scope on?

[milleniumdude1999]

I have the same 870 setup sans nikon

Maybe the dude can shed some light on this from actaul experience with the slugs and the 870. Hornady slugs are the best IMHO. I have tested them all. Coreloc sabots are good too, but are much hotter. I have had best consistancy with Hornady. One cannot expect rifle style groups, 1" at 100 yards is darn good. It will drop whatever you hit quickly, they are leathally powerful. I feel your pain, they are expensive to train with and the learning curve is steep. My sincerest advice is to ditch the scope and put a red dot on it. Not that a scope wont work, but rather the shot gun is simply not that accurate. That said, it's accurate to minuteof dead dear, bear, piggy, or virtually any big game with 150 yards. Yea, I bought into the accuracy claims of the slugs in the beginning too.

Another thing is that slugs move slowly. A lot of experts says hold the barrel down tight on arest, or shootin sticks. I got that tip from the guy on the gun nuts (outdoor channel) and it worked.

They kick a bit and I have had my share of scope bite from them, but my cheap *** Walmart Tasco red dot works like a charm and no more bite for my old eyes. Honest answer, no BS. Merica! No prob. getting 1" groups if I do my part, but need to practice. It's not a .308, or facsimile. Excuse tablet typos.

[Murby]

I apologize if I missed it, but what shotgun is this scope on?

Rem 870 Express with cantilever scope mount.. Slughunter scope on weaver grand slam steel rings, hornady sst slugs..

All brand new.