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[Justintoxicated]

Buy once Cry Once, When people say Nikon is good, they are usually not talking about their low end products. Seems like it would be hard to test for accuracy with a shotgun scope.

[Murby]

Buy once Cry Once, When people say Nikon is good, they are usually not talking about their low end products.

Is the slughunter considered low end?

What about the prostaff?

What would you recommend?

[NytWolf]

Who are you referring to as "his" ??

The technician at Nikon.

[NytWolf]

Is the slughunter considered low end?

What about the prostaff?

What would you recommend?

Prostaff is entry-level (high on the low-end, if that makes sense).

Get the BuckMaster at the very least and step up to the Monarch if you have to stay with Nikon.

[Murby]

What's wrong about his MOA adjustments? His directions are correct for adjustments.

It seems to me you were biased from your friend's mishap.

The technicians explanation of MOA adjustment is wrong.. Backwards to be more precise about how it was wrong.

He would have been correct if it was a 200 yard question.. but it wasn't, it was a 50 yard question and he didn't comprehend the difference.

[Murby]

Prostaff is entry-level (high on the low-end, if that makes sense).

Get the BuckMaster at the very least and step up to the Monarch if you have to stay with Nikon.

Interesting.. I'll keep that in mind.

Since I have the scoped dialed into a 1.5" error at 50 yards, and since my shooting window is only a max of around 75 yards or so, I'm going to use it for now. I'll just compensate manually if needed.

That said, once the season is over, I'm going to have a master gunsmith down the road take a look at it.

Whatever his findings are, I will eventually post them.. If I am found to be in error, I am not too egotistic or proud to admit I am wrong. I will post the appropriate information once someone of proper experience and authority makes a determination.

Thanks for all your help...

[NytWolf]

The technicians explanation of MOA adjustment is wrong.. Backwards to be more precise about how it was wrong.

He would have been correct if it was a 200 yard question.. but it wasn't, it was a 50 yard question and he didn't comprehend the difference.

Okay. I see what you mean. He got confused with the calculations (I got lost in his calculations at first). At 50 yards, it should double the number of clicks, not half.

[milleniumdude1999]

The dude says, sabot slugs move slowly down the barrel, which magnifies even the slightest flinch. These guns shoot different from rifles. Yes, they kick and you may be used to a 300 winmag, but the 300 win mag moves fast. Treat it like a muzzle loader! It's not the scope. First time out with sabots everyone goes thru the same thing, so don't feel bad. It took me 5 boxes to have it down and zeroed. It's expensive to learn how to shoot well. Winchester sabot are good too, give them a shot, but they are hard to find. Check out ballistics products (google it), they sell reloading product for sabot slugs and rifles barrel shot guns. Call them up and ask them their advice. They were very helpful to me and they are nice people and extremely knowledgeable. In Ohio and other places back east, rifled barrels and shot guns are the norm for whitetail hunting, if you don't use a muzzle loader. Have the exact same barrel on my 870, so 1.5 at 50 yards is good for your first time out. Put a limbsaver slipon on it, relax, hold the barrel down tight and watch your groups improve. It is not a rifle, it's a shot gun with a rifles barrel shooting sabot jacketed semi pointed bullets. I doubt the Nikon tech has ever fired a sabot slug down a rifled barrel!

[kenl]

Shooting Hornady SST 2-3/4 slugs? Interesting.

Seeing the same problem using a H&R Ultra Slug topped by a Simmons Shotgun scope. Trying to zero @ 75 yard, rounds are all over the place. I'm also seeing large jumps in the impact area with a small scope adjustment. This is a gun/scope that is very consistent with other ammo. Looked it over, re-torqued everything, but didn't see any improvement.

Problem is probably me, but...

[Manolito]

I have to ask what accuracy are you expecting from a sabot bullet in a rifled shot gun barrel and a scope? What do you feel would be perfect VS acceptable?

Explain your bench rest setup. did you just sandbag the front barrel or both the front and rear stock?

What were the weather conditions the day you shot?

Do you have a target I can look at?

Thanks

Bill

I don't own but one Nikon scope and it is working well I have a Nikon spotting scope that has taken every weather condition and hard hunting I have thrown at it and performed flawlessly. When I speak of a product I hold the entire company accountable when I speak of an employee I don't hold the company accountable for one bad employee. I wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer the morning I went to work after spending the night in delivery with the wife.

[negolien]

Yeah I have had some Nikon optics also and had no issues. Really sounds like you and your buddy are the ones with the issues. I also own some of the cameras and they also are awesome.

[Murby]

I have to ask what accuracy are you expecting from a sabot bullet in a rifled shot gun barrel and a scope? What do you feel would be perfect VS acceptable?

This isn't about accuracy. The scope doesn't adjust correctly.

8 clicks at 50 yards should be 1 inch.. not 4 to 5..

[postal]

Have you tried the scope on a rifle of known accuracy?

Slug guns arent exactly precision setups... and you questioning your ammo to boot......

After your hunt.... Thats the first thing I would do. Put it on a rifle, dial in zero, and shoot a box test.

That will confirm if the scope adjustments are working correctly or not.

Have you considered this?

[toby]

[Bungi]

I have had a Monarch 4-16x42 for a few years on my Tikka T3 (308 win) and I am quite happy with it. Good glass and the Tikka has always performed well with the scope.

I actually just bought the new Monarch 3 and I intend to mount it on a Ruger Predator in 223. New new Monarch is also 4-16x42.

I hope the new scope performs as well as my old one.

Good luck in resolving your problems. Based upon my experience, as well as the others posts, I think your situation is definitely the exception.