LPVO with offset red dot

[ZombieLivesMatter]

I am completely new to LPVOs. I ran a Eotech/magnifier for 10 years and then most recently a ACOG for the past 5 years and took a few classes with it and loved it. I then added a RMR offset with it. I recently drank the LPVO cool-aid, with people on these forums, AR15 forums, and articles from the professionals saying how ACOG is obsolete and LPVO are the future. I got rid of the ACOG and picked up a Eotech Vudu 1-6x. I like the ACOG way more and regret getting rid of it, but I assume it’s because I’ve taken classes with the ACOG and comfortable with it while I’m completely new to LPVO and need to get more experience and training behind it.

My question though is regarding seeing people run a offset red dot with the LPVO. I’m asking because I was going to sell my offset RMR since I sold the ACOG but am intrigued with running it with the LPVO now. Isn’t the point of having the heavy LPVO is that it’s 1x plus magnification so it’s versatile? Then what’s the point of running a offset red dot? If the argument is it’s quicker to switch to offset red dot rather than dial down to 1x, then why not just run a fixed mag optic like ACOG? The little bit of reading I found was regarding competition specifically, does this have any valid application such as a SHTF rifle? Once again I am very new to LPVO and am not questioning the reasoning behind a offset red dot with a LPVO, I’m asking because I’m sure there’s a multiple good valid reasons I haven’t thought of nor have I read about.

[seal20]

I have this question as well.

I'm holding on to my acogs for now...

[jeff.i.thomas]

I can only speak to why I did it and yes it was for competition. Mid-range to close range target acquisition. Looking through a scope at something CQ length is difficult especially if you want to see more of the stage in your peripheral.

In the carbine matches I've been in you transition from +-3yrd targets to +-465yrd targets back and back.

The fastest way I've seen to do that is either with a red dot and magnifier or LPVO and RMR at 45.

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[FeuerFrei]

I don't drink lpvo cool aid, so I decide on my rifle's purpose and fit it out accordingly. I also like A2 stocks with GI cleaning kits inside and 2 point slings.

I use TA33's and a TA11 for my shtf rifles.
I can snap from close targets to long range targets without shifting my rifle or cheek weld nor do I need to dial up/down the scope. Fixed power works and combined with a bright reticle you just point and shoot. ACOG's have this nailed down flat. BAC works and is easy to learn.

[Steve1968LS2]

As I said in the other thread I'm not fast with the ACOG up close (under 40-50 yards) and it's way faster for me to snap over to the RMR since I don't even have to break cheek weld.. ads 2-3 ounces to the gun..

I have the same set up on my new 1-8 Nightforce deal.. it's way faster for me to cant to the RMR than it is to throw the lever back down to 1x.

[ch3ck5ix]

Interesting video discussing overall rifle setups, see ~7:50 re: offset red dot:

Best quote from the badass Irish dude "I've killed alot of people with the 5.56"

[Steve1968LS2]

Interesting video discussing overall rifle setups, see ~7:50 re: offset red dot:

Best quote from the badass Irish dude "I've killed alot of people with the 5.56"

The guy in the middle is funny.. "I've killed lots of guys with 5.56.." ... just like it was buying a quart of milk..

[HKAllTheThings]

I'll take a shot at answering your questions.

Yes, you leave the LPVO at 1x 95% of the time because most of your targets are going to be 50 yards and closer.

For the 5% of the time you're under magnification, if a target of opportunity appears, you can roll to your offset instead of spinning down. But, if it's a target right in your face, you can also point shoot too. If it's closer than 10 yards, you can also shoot it occluded using your illuminated LPVO reticle. But, just know that you'll have some POI/POA differences due to phoria.

An ACOG is a good option. It's got a bigger objective than most LPVOs and of course, it's lighter. Just know that it has all the weaknesses of a fiber optic/tritium sight when you're moving between mixed lighting sources. Plus, you don't have any of the in-between magnifications to use. And because your offset red dot is only on one side, if you ever have to do any off shoulder shooting, it's not very good.

[Steve1968LS2]

I'll take a shot at answering your questions.

Yes, you leave the LPVO at 1x 95% of the time because most of your targets are going to be 50 yards and closer.

For the 5% of the time you're under magnification, if a target of opportunity appears, you can roll to your offset instead of spinning down. But, if it's a target right in your face, you can also point shoot too. If it's closer than 10 yards, you can also shoot it occluded using your illuminated LPVO reticle. But, just know that you'll have some POI/POA differences due to phoria.

An ACOG is a good option. It's got a bigger objective than most LPVOs and of course, it's lighter. Just know that it has all the weaknesses of a fiber optic/tritium sight when you're moving between mixed lighting sources. Plus, you don't have any of the in-between magnifications to use.

My issue is that the eye box on the Nightforce, and most small LPVO is so small that even with both eyes open it's harder to use as a 1x red dot since your eye has little margin for error in terms of placement.

So for me it's faster to roll to the canted RDS..

[HKAllTheThings]

My issue is that the eye box on the Nightforce, and most small LPVO is so small that even with both eyes open it's harder to use as a 1x red dot since your eye has little margin for error in terms of placement.

So for me it's faster to roll to the canted RDS..

Most LPVOs have a 3.5-4" eye relief so if you're unable to see the red dot, I think you may have some fundamentals issues with presentation of the gun. The eye piece is literally only a few inches from your dominant eye, you should be able to see it, no problem. The offset is much smaller than your eye piece and is further away, it should be harder to see.

[ZombieLivesMatter]

Thanks for replies, especially Jeff, Steve, and HK. Question Steve, your explanation is exactly what I’ve heard and I’m ignorant with my question of if you’re running a red dot for up close, why not run a 3-9x or 4-12x rather than a LPVO?

Also to reiterate for any more replies regarding the ACOG, here is my Noveske with ACOG and offset RMR that I ran in classes including a Vickers class and I absolutely loved it, no need to recommend to me it’s already my favorite thus far but I already sold the ACOG and got a LPVO that I’m going to give a chance and train with before deciding to go back or not.


Just figured it was a progression, started with a Eotech/Magnifier which I really liked, then switched to a ACOG/offset RMR which I liked more, and Now switched to a LPVO which I was hoping I’d like more but don’t, but I know it’s because of lack of training and experience I’m sure and will run it in a few classes.
This thread and my question came from me having a left over RMR from when I got rid of the ACOG, that the RMR is $400+ just sitting on the shelf that I was looking to sell but at the same time I don’t need the money and if it’s worth keeping to run with the LPVO I’ll do so.

[Steve1968LS2]

Most LPVOs have a 3.5-4" eye relief so if you're unable to see the red dot, I think you may have some fundamentals issues with presentation of the gun. The eye piece is literally only a few inches from your dominant eye, you should be able to see it, no problem. The offset is much smaller than your eye piece and is further away, it should be harder to see.

It's not the eye relief.. it's the eye box, which is small on some of them.

But that's just me.. your results may vary

[code_blue]

The purpose of the LPVO was for observation and PID. They were originally utilized with the "RECCE" type setups.

As for shooting, sometimes max magnification is too much. I personally don't run an offset RDS as I don't need to for what I do, which is LARP around pretending that I'm cooler and better than I really am.

[ZombieLivesMatter]

The purpose of the LPVO was for observation and PID. They were originally utilized with the "RECCE" type setups.

As for shooting, sometimes max magnification is too much. I personally don't run an offset RDS as I don't need to for what I do, which is LARP around pretending that I'm cooler and better than I really am.

Thanks for that reply, got the LPVO for exactly the reason you mentioned, for my Noveske Recon which is my recce (do everything rifle, the SHTF that will probably never occur but if it does for PID at distance for SHTF). My HD rifle runs a pencil barrel with a simple Aimpoint.

[code_blue]

Thanks for that reply, got the LPVO for exactly the reason you mentioned, for my Noveske Recon which is my recce (do everything rifle, the SHTF that will probably never occur but if it does for PID at distance for SHTF). My HD rifle runs a pencil barrel with a simple Aimpoint.

That's why we have different guns that specialize in different things, right? If there was gone rifle that did it all, it would be a damn pig and have accessories fit for a meme.

11.5 - Aimpoint T2 w/3x mag on Unity mounts (will be candidate for IR when the time comes)
12.5 Recce - Vortex Razor 1-6 (interested in the 1-10 but not for the current price, only because it's the latest and greatest.)
14.5 w/ FSP - EOTech EXPS2-2 w/3x mag (solely for the FSP nostalgia)
14.5 - EOTech EXPS3-0 on Unity mount (another candidate for IR)
16 - No optic yet, but maybe 4-12 (16 is the new DMR length)

If I had to choose one, it would probably be the 11.5, 12.5 or the 14.5 non FSP. I do have other platforms like an 8" 9mm AR9, but that's more fun and just because then anything else. I'm not sure why I have an AR10 either. LOL