EoTech goes back, what now?

[MrSam]

If you don't trust eotechs and you don't trust aimpoints, you are left with iron sights IMO. I don't know if anything is more dependable than either. Say what you want about seeing this and that, but there is a reason they are probably the most popular red dot brands.

One word, ACOG. Personally, I've never seen one of those fail. Too bad OP doesn't want a tube sight.

[E92335i]

Aimpoint CompM4s on the way.

[Red9]

Think about this... You zero your Eotech on a nice spring day. 75 degrees. Late summer you case it up and put it in the trunk and head to the range. 98 degrees air temp. Gets pretty damned warm in the trunk. Then shoot it. Your zero just might have shifted. 100 yd zero, of course.
I have 2 zero'd and co-witnessed to my irons. They were zero'd at about 90 degrees. They live in my safe in my garage. Checked them both for shift in relation to the irons last week. They had both shifted.

Same here. I love my eotech! But every outing it was off 4-5 clicks.

[Johnboywalton]

The MSE looks really impressive, but seems to have disappeared. It's discontinued all over and MSE seems to have morphed into Hartman but the one offering Hartman (due 2107?!?! WTF?!?!) is charged via USB? That doesn't seem like such a good idea, if you ask me.

http://hartman-il.com/main-advantages/

I received an email from a Hartman representative who told me I can pay $680 now and receive my scope next month. January 2016. Here's the body of the email:


Thank you for your Pre Order at Hartman.
Please see the information we send to end users.
Our new Red Dot Sight is Going to be launched at January 2016.
For the pre order customers we offer the following:
- Ensuring shipping from the first edition
- Free delivery
- Promotion price of 680 USD per unit
- 1st edition giveaway
- Free PTT, value of 49.99 USD
- And much more

In order to complete the pre order we need to get from you payment information, you can pay via credit card or PayPal, you can send the information to me via mail or over the phone.
If you wish to do this over the phone please let me know what time will be best for you.
Feel free to contact me if you need additional information

Thank you again

Ron

[Click Boom]

So I'm curious.

I wanted an EoTech since I first used one on a Mini-14 several years ago and about a year ago added one to one of my AR-15's.

Now that everyone is sending them back, what do you plan on replacing them with?

I purchased my 512 for the following reasons:

1. Large window, easy acquisition.
2. AA batteries, easy to carry and replace.
3. Reticle easy to see, easy to acquire.
4. Rugged (enough, it seems).
5. Co-witness with BUIS.

So last weekend I watched my buddy's Aimpoint CompM4 completely fail (it's going back to the mfr). I tried my other pal's Mako EoTech-like model (not sure what Model Number but he got a great Black Friday deal), but seriously? you need a magnifier just to see the dot. Worthless reticle on a 1x optic IMHO.

So what will you all get? I really don't want to look through a tube, or I would have purchased a tube in the first place.

Love to hear everyone's thoughts.

You don't look through the tube, you keep both eyes open and point and shoot. You don't look through the tube any more than you look thru the "square" of an eotech.

Anecdotal stories of aimpoints failing are just that. They are considered #1 for red dot reliability.

[NinjaNinja]

get some new friggin optics. thats what.

[JDay]

That sounds right. Was just curious as to why so many people are returning them when they will probably never see the extreme conditions that cause EoTechs to lose zero. But to be fair, I've always wanted an EoTech, and this whole things got me having second thoughts...

Do you put your rifle in your trunk in the summer? This issue will affect you. They also knowingly supplied defective equipment to our troops. I don't know about you but I will not support a company that has no problem doing that for years.

[r8dr rider]

I'm in the same boat as the op. Just got my RMA, gonna send the EoCrap back. I've had that thing for years and every time I went to the range I had to reset the zero. I always thought it was me. Now the question is what optic? I'm leaning toward the Aimpoint PRO or C More red dot.

[supergimp]

So I went with Meprolight RDS. It's 15% off until the end of 2015 (mad I passed on the 30% off black friday sale). I tried one (as well as an Aimpoint CompM4) last weekend at the range and, while I'm not completely fond of the tiny dot (I wish it had a bullseye - but I think I'll get used to it) it offers a similar sight picture and value. It's well liked and I think it will work fine for my highly tactical range visits.

I didn't mean to imply that Aimpoint was less than an excellent sight and one can find a negative anecdote for just about anything. I just prefer the larger window and feel of the EoTech type format.

I signed up for a pre-order on the Hartman, but at $650 (pre order price) it's more than I want to spend right now (realization of Christmas bills in effect). I'd like to keep within the budget of the EoTech refund, so, at the end of the day, and about a billion YouTube reviews later (most more entertaining than informational, but with YouTube YOU TOO can be an expert!) I'm gonna give the Meprolight a go.

[Erion929]

After researching more red dots in Aimpoint H1, Primary Arms MD-ADS, Trijicon MRO...and the tritium/fiber optic Meprolight M21.... I went with a 1x prism scope Vortex Spitfire.

Slight astigmatism blooms the Eotech reticle, so more red dots would likely give me the same issue....so I skipped Aimpoint, PA, and the MRO.

That left the Meprolight M21, which has good reports vs. astigmatism and no batteries, but has a limited lifespan (12-15 years) and is $430-470......and the Vortex Spitfire prism, which has excellent glass reviews, works with astigmatism, permanent etched reticle w/illumination, and cost me $180.

With an Eotech refund coming at $465 it gives me an extra ~$300 to play with....and is Operator-enough for me in the suburbs of Orange County



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[FX-05 Xiuhcoatl]

I'm saving my $$$ for this bad boy MH1 HARTMAN Red Dot

[JDay]

You can have the tritium vial in the Meprolight replaced for a small fee after it dies.

[Erion929]

You can have the tritium vial in the Meprolight replaced for a small fee after it dies.

Didn't research that much after one guy posted he was told $250 to replenish....

Also might have looked more into it and accepted the $450 price if the unit was smaller.....it's kinda big, I thought.

[Intimid8tor]

I returned two eotechs and will use that money for a trijicon. I'll use some additional money to buy a pro or two.

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[saki302]

Trawl ebay for deals on a comp M3 or T-1. Just takes patience, and a call to aimpoint to verify authenticity (or an NV unit to see if the NV settings work- fakes don't).