Still C&R ?

[ke6guj]

I saw that and fixed that on my post. Ones that were converted by a military arsenal or imports were done before 1968 (generally) and are considered C&R. Then again, importers have different rules than we poor prole citizens and our gunsmiths.

If the new barrel was 8mm and configured to be the right length and then blued, then that is just a "part replacement" and would be fine. The different caliber is very iffy.

ok, so you are saying if the conversion happened a long time ago, that it could be C&R. What happens if I today replace that converted .30-06 barrel with a new .30-06 barrel? is it still C&R? it is in the same configuration it was in yesterday as a C&R. What is the difference between that one and one that I convert from 8mm to .30-06 today? how will anyone know the difference?

[Emdawg]

I understand that they are exempted from some of the FFL requirements and are unique in the fact that they can ship C&R rifles direct to your home. However, they can't do that trick with rifles that are not C&R - they are still constrained to C&R requirements for shipping direct to home. Some of the 22LR stuff they sell, for example, has to go to a FFL if it is not C&R.

As I understand it, the barrel is still a wear item and should not change C&R status. The re-chambering part.. I don't know that answer to that one. But since CMP is doing it and they can still ship it direct to your house my guess would be that it is still C&R.

The CMP can has exemptions for rifles thay were used by the US military and were sold to the CMP from their arsenals (or from veterans groups and the like) and they have the exemptions. The 22s are most likely newer productions and were not used by the US military and so they are most likely not exempted.

A re-barreling from 8mm to 8mm and leaves the gun in something close to original configuration is probably fine. Re-chambering in a new caliber, seems to be a no no as far as C&R status goes.

[Emdawg]

ok, so you are saying if the conversion happened a long time ago, that it could be C&R. What happens if I today replace that converted .30-06 barrel with a new .30-06 barrel? is it still C&R? it is in the same configuration it was in yesterday as a C&R. What is the difference between that one and one that I convert from 8mm to .30-06 today? how will anyone know the difference?

If your grandpa bought a Krag in 1935 and hacked it up, then it is probably fine as C&R.

Just replacing a bad barrel with a new one in the same caliber and configurement is fine. A new barrel in a different caliber is going into the realm of whatever the ATF feels like defining it as.

[hylander]

The CMP can has exemptions for rifles thay were used by the US military and were sold to the CMP from their arsenals (or from veterans groups and the like) and they have the exemptions. The 22s are most likely newer productions and were not used by the US military and so they are most likely not exempted.

A re-barreling from 8mm to 8mm and leaves the gun in something close to original configuration is probably fine. Re-chambering in a new caliber, seems to be a no no as far as C&R status goes.

Not trying to argue,just want to understand.
Say the CMP sells me one of their Garands as C&R converted to .308 since they have a special exemption and later I want to sell it, can I sell it as C&R even though I don't have any special exemptions ?

[Emdawg]

Not trying to argue,just want to understand.
Say the CMP sells me one of their Garands as C&R converted to .308 since they have a special exemption and later I want to sell it, can I sell it as C&R even though I don't have any special exemptions ?

Yes you can.

But if you want to sporter or bubba a K98 or Mosin or whatever, then you lose the C&R.

Remember, most of the imported Mausers that have been converted to .308 or 30-06 from 8mm or 7mm were done so before the Gun Control Act of 1968, so they would be considered C&R anyway.

The CMP had been around since 1903, I think, and they go their license to fo business directly from Congress, first being ran under the Army and later under their own control. They have their own charter with exemptions.

[ke6guj]

how can that be?

per your posts, it sounds that if CMP converts a garand to .308, it isn't C&R but CMP can still sell it to you based on their congressional exmeption to the need to use an FFL.

If it ins't C&R when CMP converted it, how can you then later sell it as a C&R?

[sakosf]

If the gun was classified as an antique, then there would no problem

[Emdawg]

how can that be?

per your posts, it sounds that if CMP converts a garand to .308, it isn't C&R but CMP can still sell it to you based on their congressional exmeption to the need to use an FFL.

If it ins't C&R when CMP converted it, how can you then later sell it as a C&R?

I am not even sure the CMP did the .308 conversions. If I remember correctly, those were done for the Navy and then given to the CMP.

I am not sure, but that seems right.

I am sure of, is that their M1 Garands in 30-06 are exempted from standard FFL due to their charter.

[ke6guj]

I am not even sure the CMP did the .308 conversions. If I remember correctly, those were done for the Navy and then given to the CMP.

I am not sure, but that seems right.

I am sure of, is that their M1 Garands in 30-06 are exempted from standard FFL due to their charter.

the CMP is both selling Navy .308 barreled receivers and also newly built "special grade" Garands.

M1 Garand, CMP Special (.308)
Allow 30-60 days for delivery.
M1 Garand Springfield Armory receiver. This is a completely refurbished rifle consisting of an original M1 Garand Springfield receiver, new production Criterion barrel, new production American Walnut stock and handguards, and new web sling. Receiver and most other parts are refinished USGI, but some parts may be new manufacture. A .308 spacer block is installed to prevent the loading of a .30-06 round into the chamber.

[Emdawg]

the CMP is both selling Navy .308 barreled receivers and also newly built "special grade" Garands.

Well I guess that proved that their M1s are considered C&R even if they change calibers, due to their charter. As far as I have seen, we the Average Joe do not get the same courtesy from the law.

[hylander]

the CMP is both selling Navy .308 barreled receivers and also newly built "special grade" Garands.

So basically the CMP can change any and all parts as long as the receiver is C&R to start and the rifle is still C&R when they are done
But I can't replace a worn out barrel ?

[Emdawg]

So basically the CMP can change any and all parts as long as the receiver is C&R to start and the rifle is still C&R when they are done
But I can't replace a worn out barrel ?

You can replace a worn out barrel. As long as it remains in original configuration. So 8mm for 8mm in the same design pattern.

Apparently the ATF regards caliber changes as non C&R. You did nothing wrong, it is just that the Mauser is no longer C&R.

As for the CMP, they were created by Congress and the US Army, so they can pretty much do whatever Congress says they can according to their charter. They have certain exemptions from the gun laws that we have to follow.

[TRICKSTER]

C&R status has nothing to do with firearms that the CMP sells. They have a special exemption from congress that allows them to sell certain military surplus weapons and the C&R regulations do not apply.
The reason that some of the 22s that they sell must go through a 01 FFL is because they are not military surplus, they are commercial models.
If you really want to know how the CMP works read this link.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/36C407.txt

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/36C407.txt

[Emdawg]

The CMP can has exemptions for rifles thay were used by the US military and were sold to the CMP from their arsenals (or from veterans groups and the like) and they have the exemptions. The 22s are most likely newer productions and were not used by the US military and so they are most likely not exempted.

That is what I said earlier, as seen above. At least you have the penal codes.

[TRICKSTER]

Well I guess that proved that their M1s are considered C&R even if they change calibers, due to their charter. As far as I have seen, we the Average Joe do not get the same courtesy from the law.

Many of the companies that rebuild Garands such as Fulton Armory sell Garands barreled in 308 as C&R. It is still considered 30 caliber plus the Navy used Garands chambered in 7.62 NATO.