Mauser Freaks look!!!!

[smeg]

damn I have the same site lol. I didn't see the code! doh! Yeah 1945 SHTF for the glorious Riech however they were making mausers to the very last minute of WW2.

What is a fair price on those groups? maybe like 400-600 hundred?

SS rifles. Huge minefield here. The adage fake until proven otherwise is wise here as the vast majority of so call SS marked guns are fake.
There is much information out there on various forums and you should study them well before buying any SS guns; unless of course you don't mind getting ripped off on your very first SS buy.

Not all Steyr(bnz) guns went to the SS; actually only a minority. And not all had any SS markings. They had certain features that demonstrate them as SS contract guns.

Price...you mean on 1945 rifles? That varies greatly on originality and condition. There are all sorts of figures throw out for russian capture, mismatched, and refinished guns. But if going into the original condition, matching guns, $2000+ is the norm. Key is both matching and original condition....any sanding, varnish, shellac, steel wool cleaning, etc of wood is not original. Sure sounds high, but there are enough collectors that collect these that determines the price.

Here are a couple very late war bnz guns in a picture that I found and am borrowing. One is an end of the line bnz45; the other is a large font bnz44. Both are kreigsmodels in all original finish with un touched wood. Both are matching. Neither were SS rifles.

[SKSer45]

ahhh those are some nice late war models smeg! how long do you get to hold them? I take it you don't shoot them either ya?

[smeg]

Nope, I don't shoot the original ones. Always chance of something breaking such as crack in stock. Such damage would hurt value quite a bit! The walnut stock is like sapwood. Superbly crappy and rough and I can see it cracking with firing.

Have mismatched and restorations that are the shooters.

If you do decide to collect these(any ww2 german guns) and want to buy something beyond the $200-$350 shooters, I strongly recommend you do much reading and learning before buying. Before venturing into the 'collectable' examples, it's better to save your cash and get an original, un-messed with gun for more $$, than pay $900 for a 'mostly matching', sanded stock, etc gun. I can't stress enough how much of a hit sanded, steel wooled-cleaned stocks are a big turn off for collectors.
The un-messed with guns will always be in demand and appreciate in value.

btw, here are some dot44s. From earliest on top to latest on bottom. All are matching and un-messed with. Yours is in the same range as the second from top.

[rojocorsa]

I know the general stuff and differences there are to know between kreigsmodells and normal 98ks...

but are all the barrels for all 98ks exactly the same, or are the kreigsmodells less accurate or anything like that?

[smeg]

I know the general stuff and differences there are to know between kreigsmodells and normal 98ks...

but are all the barrels for all 98ks exactly the same, or are the kreigsmodells less accurate or anything like that?

Yes, the barrels on the kreigsmodells are the same. Maybe cosmetically not as well finished externally but they are the same and pass the same inspections. I can't say whether they are any less accurate, but my guess is the accuracy would not be that much off. Remember the normal k98k passes inspection if within 5 moa, so it's not exactly a tack driver.

[rojocorsa]

OK, thank you.

Looks like I will be buying an RC bnz45 (which doesnt look like a crappy Kreigsmodell, rather looks like a mid-war rifle). But this is why I was wondering about the barrel...

I've seen the rifle in person and I am otherwise pleased with it; good thing the barrel looks new still.

[smeg]

Yes, that is one thing that you will notice is that the late war RC's typically have like new bores; in contrast to early war examples. If I were looking for a RC shooter, I'd look for a '44, '45 because of this.
And when I use the word crappy with the latewar 98k's, I mean it affectionately because I like 'em that way

[Dr.Mauser]

I agree with those calling this yet another gunbroker 'turd'...those proofs and waffenampts look far to crisp, far to clean, and way to plentiful. I have NEVER seen that many proofs and marks on a rifle before. It seems far to good to be real. But what do I know I'm only 21.

[SKSer45]

Nope, I don't shoot the original ones. Always chance of something breaking such as crack in stock. Such damage would hurt value quite a bit! The walnut stock is like sapwood. Superbly crappy and rough and I can see it cracking with firing.

Have mismatched and restorations that are the shooters.

If you do decide to collect these(any ww2 german guns) and want to buy something beyond the $200-$350 shooters, I strongly recommend you do much reading and learning before buying. Before venturing into the 'collectable' examples, it's better to save your cash and get an original, un-messed with gun for more $$, than pay $900 for a 'mostly matching', sanded stock, etc gun. I can't stress enough how much of a hit sanded, steel wooled-cleaned stocks are a big turn off for collectors.
The un-messed with guns will always be in demand and appreciate in value.

btw, here are some dot44s. From earliest on top to latest on bottom. All are matching and un-messed with. Yours is in the same range as the second from top.

mmmm look at that!!! So pretty the DOTS! mmmm SMEG I think you are my new best friend Those are very nice. And where did you get those?

[Timbob55]

NICE piece. But Dayum!

[smeg]

Dr. Mauser, I think the proofs and numbers on that gun are all original and correct. Problem is just it's not matching....replaced stock and rear sight leaf. My guess is the stock had a bad duffle cut and was thus replaced. The original buttplate was taken off the cut stock and put on the replacement stock.

SKS, got them slowly over the years forums, auctions, etc. Take your time and keep an eye out.

[mparssfo@gmail.com]

I wonder what I would get for mine?

I have one with the crest identical to yours, but it also has a totenkopf and SS on it. I wonder what that would go for? It's a Karbiner.

[SKSer45]

I have one with the crest identical to yours, but it also has a totenkopf and SS on it. I wonder what that would go for? It's a Karbiner.

hmmm need some photos to see. Most of them time those Deatheads and SS marks are fake. I mean those are really really rare I have seen one with the Death Head in an auction book but that's about it. This was back when I was in middle school before the internet and it had it listed as 15,000$. Who knows if it was real or not.

[Springfield45]

I agree with those calling this yet another gunbroker 'turd'...those proofs and waffenampts look far to crisp, far to clean, and way to plentiful. I have NEVER seen that many proofs and marks on a rifle before. It seems far to good to be real. But what do I know I'm only 21.

I have a Mismatched Byf 41 RC. It has most of the same markings as that rifle. My markings are not as good but they are there. I do not see any reason to believe that is a special Luffewaffa rifle. It is in beautiful shape but I would not call it special.

[fallenknight308]

Closed at $1825 wow. Some people are having "buck" fever right now.
Russkie SKS's are going for outside of $600+ sometimes aswell.
Makes me wish I'd done more collecting, and hadn't sold off some milsurps I did have....so much self loathing