Took the M1 for the range first time - some weird issues **Update see post 34**

[BigPun762]

So I took the M1 for the first time yesterday.

Good news: All rounds went bang

Bad news: I had some weird issues with it. First of all, I got the infamous 7th round stoppage. I didn't know it was a thing but it was consistently not feeding the 7th round when the top round was loaded to the right. I confirmed this because before one magazine I took a pic of the enbloc clip on top and sure enough, the top round was on the right. I searched on the forum and was pointed towards the direction of a video from Ian on Forgotten Weapons and how the issue was supposedly remedied. But clearly it was not as I was having the same issue consistently.

But then when I loaded it on the left, the 7th round ejected out of the enbloc clip (3:11 on the video). So strange.

Anybody have any clues as to what it could be? I only was provided with one enbloc clip from the CMP so I am going to try to buy and use different clips. Ammo I was shooting was PPU loaded specifically for the M1.



Also, my rear sight doesn't have the words "left" on it, I have no clue what this means. But looking at the manual with a regular sight, I assume to adjust the rounds to move to the left it is counter clockwise? The M1 was grouping decently, just a bit to the right.





But despite the issues above, god it feels great to have an M1 Again. It's just such a dream to shoot!

[beerman]

Yea, try different clips and be sure it’s greased up good. Pretty good groups though. I’ve not seen an adjustment cap like that, maybe a Greek replacement?. Man , I gotta get mine out since I’m sitting on a few cases of LC.

[smle-man]

PB is Beretta, Italy made M1 rifles. As suggested, try some other clips. Check the clip latch spring for proper function and replace the spring if it is compressed.

[BigPun762]

PB is Beretta, Italy made M1 rifles. As suggested, try some other clips. Check the clip latch spring for proper function and replace the spring if it is compressed.

Thanks! I searched a different PB sight that had the words "left" on it as well. But it had the same arrow pointing towards the "P" like in mine so I will make a couple of adjustments in that direction and hopefully land correctly because ammo on the M1 is not cheap!

[BigPun762]

Yea, try different clips and be sure it?s greased up good. Pretty good groups though. I?ve not seen an adjustment cap like that, maybe a Greek replacement?. Man , I gotta get mine out since I?m sitting on a few cases of LC.

Wow! I wish I had a lot of ammo for my M1. But then again, i'd be tempted to burn through all my ammo lol. I only took 40 rounds with me and it was hard not shooting them all so quickly just because the M1 is so fun to shoot.

[toro1]

I thought the 7th round stoppage was only on the very early Garands. What is your serial number?

On many of the Garands being shipped now, the parkerizing seems to be pretty heavy and causing binding. Lube things up, take some scotchbrite to the clips, and try again. Worst case, you get to shoot your Garand more.

[croue]

I didn?t have the 7th round issue. But I had feeding problems early on with a few of them. Overly tight en blocs seemed to be an issue and maybe needing a bit of wearing in after the parkerizing.

Everything cleared up nicely after a few sessions at the range. I mostly roll my own so it?s cheaper than finding garand specific ammo. I highly suggest getting the variable relief gas cap - then you can run pretty much any ammo by opening it up. Or get some H4895 and start reloading!

I believe the rear sight thread is ?normal? right hand thread. But easy to figure out. Turn it a few clicks and whichever direction the rear sight moves the impact will move the same direction.

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[BigPun762]

I thought the 7th round stoppage was only on the very early Garands. What is your serial number?

On many of the Garands being shipped now, the parkerizing seems to be pretty heavy and causing binding. Lube things up, take some scotchbrite to the clips, and try again. Worst case, you get to shoot your Garand more.

That is what the video from Forgotten Weapons also says. But serial number date points to October 1941, so not an early Garand.

It was very consistent too. I had greased it prior to shooting it but will try some lube and new enbloc clips.

[BajaJames83]

What ammo were you shooting?

[hambam105]

OP, depending on your zip code, there might be more than a couple calgun OG types that would
gladly help you out with M1 Garand feeding & maintenance challenges.

[2761377]

the video seems to show the brass flying all over the place. is that what happened? if so, not normal. most .30 caliber Garands will put the empties in a localized pile.

many people put new op rod and clip latch springs on a newly acquired CMP rifle as routine.

nearly zero chance of the classic 7th round stoppage for this rifle.

[BigPun762]

What ammo were you shooting?

PPU Loaded for the M1. This exact type:

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/prvi-partizan-30-06-springfield-m1-garand-150-gr-fmj-pp348-p-95.aspx

OP, depending on your zip code, there might be more than a couple calgun OG types that would
gladly help you out with M1 Garand feeding & maintenance challenges.

I am in San Jose area

the video seems to show the brass flying all over the place. is that what happened? if so, not normal. most .30 caliber Garands will put the empties in a localized pile.

many people put new op rod and clip latch springs on a newly acquired CMP rifle as routine.

nearly zero chance of the classic 7th round stoppage for this rifle.

Agreed. But the stoppage is VERY consistent so definitely not working properly. And yes brass was flying all over, was not consistent.

I will be buying those springs and see if that changes the situation.

[Capybara]

Based upon your ejection pattern, I suspect something is out of whack with the rifle itself. Lots of us had issues with crappy Enblocs but if you're using the one the CMP included, that probably eliminates the clip as a variable, although it would be smart to test another Enbloc against it, just in case it somehow became bent up. Ammo should be perfect for your rifle. M1 isn't a super finicky rifle but it does require everything to feed and eject correctly to feed and eject reliably.

I agree with the others, best would be to get it side by side with another Garand that functions correctly to compare tolerances on everything. Or just take it to a good gunsmith if you have one. My Garand does eject to the almost identical place so what yours is doing is weird.

At .50-$1.00 a round, it gets expensive just to troubleshoot it. Best of luck, maybe someone local to you will chime in and meet you at the range to take a look?

[BigPun762]

Based upon your ejection pattern, I suspect something is out of whack with the rifle itself. Lots of us had issues with crappy Enblocs but if you're using the one the CMP included, that probably eliminates the clip as a variable, although it would be smart to test another Enbloc against it, just in case it somehow became bent up. Ammo should be perfect for your rifle. M1 isn't a super finicky rifle but it does require everything to feed and eject correctly to feed and eject reliably.

I agree with the others, best would be to get it side by side with another Garand that functions correctly to compare tolerances on everything. Or just take it to a good gunsmith if you have one. My Garand does eject to the almost identical place so what yours is doing is weird.

At .50-$1.00 a round, it gets expensive just to troubleshoot it. Best of luck, maybe someone local to you will chime in and meet you at the range to take a look?

Yea I am going to test another enbloc clip since I want to get it sighted in anyways.

But I also will probably buy this and install it, it's only $30

https://www.m1garand.com/store/m1_garand_spring_kit.html

Per the thread below, the live round ejection was fixed by the above so will def give it a try.

https://forums.thecmp.org/forum/cmp-sales/m1-garand/39935-m1-ejecting-live-rounds

[2761377]

this thread discusses my next suspect- the rifle is out of time.

https://www.m14forum.com/threads/m1-bullet-guide-notch.128191/

Gus Fisher is a famous guru for this platform.

the place you linked for the spring kit has bullet guides for $17. I understand it takes $13 to get a "meal" at Jack in the Box anymore; $4 more for a bullet guide is chump change.

PM me your address- I'll send along some clips