Renew COE. Where to Enter FFL-03 Info

[acourvil]

No, you have to calendar it yourself.

[SilveradoColt21]

No, you have to calendar it yourself.

Is there a particular amount of days before that you suggest I initiate the process in??

[Capybara]

Is there a particular amount of days before that you suggest I initiate the process in??

60 days out is the earliest they'll let you I believe? When you log in, it will give you a message and a renewal link at day 60 if I recall? But no email reminder, remind yourself.

[SilveradoColt21]

60 days out is the earliest they'll let you I believe? When you log in, it will give you a message and a renewal link at day 60 if I recall? But no email reminder, remind yourself.

Ok got it thank you.

[Odd_Ball]

60 days out is the earliest they'll let you I believe? When you log in, it will give you a message and a renewal link at day 60 if I recall? But no email reminder, remind yourself.

60 days before expiration is the earliest one can renew.

CFARS also requires you to change your password periodically; so expect to go through the password reset process when you go to renew..

[BlueOvalBandit]

Good lord I've had 4 denials/incompletes, literally back to back within minutes just now. I just want to maintain my COE cause a livescan is a PITA. I've said in comments I'm just keeping my COE up, I've cited PC 26710, and they just keep kicking is back. I'm pretty sure it's the same one person due to the speed and the fact they all happened after 6pm.

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[Dvrjon]

Good lord I've had 4 denials/incompletes, literally back to back within minutes just now. I just want to maintain my COE cause a livescan is a PITA. I've said in comments I'm just keeping my COE up, I've cited PC 26710, and they just keep kicking is back. I'm pretty sure it's the same one person due to the speed and the fact they all happened after 6pm.

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They all go home at 4:30, and the CFARS system for uploading renewal data is automated.

That leaves the single point of human failure with you. And that?s how they designed the system.

In the past I?ve had stoppages and gone back to review all inputs from the beginning.

Right after your DL input is a box to check for RealID...I only missed it twice.... Then you click the agreement to terms.

Some programmer got a bonus for that one.

[BlueOvalBandit]

They all go home at 4:30, and the CFARS system for uploading renewal data is automated.



That leaves the single point of human failure with you. And that?s how they designed the system.



In the past I?ve had stoppages and gone back to review all inputs from the beginning.



Right after your DL input is a box to check for RealID...I only missed it twice.... Then you click the agreement to terms.



Some programmer got a bonus for that one.

First incomplete took 36 days.... That's not the program otherwise it wouldn't have taken that long. Next 3 took between 5 & 10 minutes from submittal. It's not me missing a check mark either, you can't submit it without having all the required boxes checked, excluding uploading you DL. Also the DOJ has been working remotely.

These are the incomplete emails sent saying my reason for renewing is not authorized

"Please review the following information https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/cert-eligibility. Please note, the Bureau is not authorized to utilize federal databases to determine eligibility to specifically purchase, possesses, or own ammunition. Therefore, all applications seeking eligibility for this purpose will not be processed."

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[Dvrjon]

First incomplete took 36 days.... That's not the program otherwise it wouldn't have taken that long. Next 3 took between 5 & 10 minutes from submittal.

Sorry, I read your first post as being rapid rejections in a short time.

Good lord I've had 4 denials/incompletes, literally back to back within minutes just now.

Now it seems they reviewed and stopped the application and have simply been holding that rejection.

The email you quoted might have a clue as to what?s going on.

These are the incomplete emails sent saying my reason for renewing is not authorized

"Please review the following information https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/cert-eligibility. Please note, the Bureau is not authorized to utilize federal databases to determine eligibility to specifically purchase, possesses, or own ammunition. Therefore, all applications seeking eligibility for this purpose will not be processed."

In the last few years of monitoring the COE issuance nonsense, I haven?t seen this refusal.

But, previously you stated: [

I've cited PC 26710, and they just keep kicking it back.

CaPEN 26710 says,

(a) A person may request a certificate of eligibility from the Department of Justice.

(b) The Department of Justice shall examine its records and records available to the department in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System in order to determine if the applicant is prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm.

That?s too close a similarity in wording to be a coincidence. Although the DOJ regs clearly state that the COE can be used to acquire ammunition, apparently the statute precludes them from approving it for that purpose.

That makes no sense, but seems to be their conflict.

Check your inputs to see what your reason for the COE is and if it is ammunition purchase-related change it to firearm-related activities.

[Odd_Ball]

But, previously you stated: [CaPEN 26710 says, That?s too close a similarity in wording to be a coincidence. Although the DOJ regs clearly state that the COE can be used to acquire ammunition, apparently the statute precludes them from approving it for that purpose.

Maybe this is why they started requesting FFL numbers on the COE renewals in recent years?

Not that the regulation makes sense under the statute going strictly by its terms. PC 26710 (b) says only that DOJ must confirm that you are eligible to possess/receive/own/purchase a firearm. Moreover, PC 26710 (c) says the "department shall issue a certifcate ... if ... the applicant is not a person who is prohibited... ." That seems to require issuance of a COE based simply on not being a prohibited person.

One possible caveat/context here is that PC 26710 is in the part of the code dealing with "License to Sell, Lease or Transfer of Firearms at Retail".

PC 26710:
(a) A person may request a certificate of eligibility from the Department of Justice.

(b) The Department of Justice shall examine its records and records available to the department in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System in order to determine if the applicant is prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm.

(c) The department shall issue a certificate to an applicant if the department's records indicate that the applicant is not a person who is prohibited by state or federal law from possessing firearms.

(d) The department shall adopt regulations to administer the certificate of eligibility program and shall recover the full costs of administering the program by imposing fees assessed to applicants who apply for those certificates.

(Added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. (SB 1080) Effective January 1, 2011. Operative January 1, 2012, by Sec. 10 of Ch. 711.)

[DrewN]

COE renewal took 5 business days this year. Filed last Tuesday, just got my approval email today. Attached my 03 as a court document to my renewal. No incomplete notice this time.

[morrcarr67]

COE renewal took 5 business days this year. Filed last Tuesday, just got my approval email today. Attached my 03 as a court document to my renewal. No incomplete notice this time.

I don't mind mine taking longer.

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[Dvrjon]

I don't mind mine taking longer.

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And frankly, considering the complete gun rights CF that I've lived through in the past 55 years in this state, I take some amount of joy in telling DOJ, "No."

[morrcarr67]

And frankly, considering the complete gun rights CF that I've lived through in the past 55 years in this state, I take some amount of joy in telling DOJ, "No."

Exactly. [emoji23][emoji1787]

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[DrewN]

Exactly. [emoji23][emoji1787]

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Shrug. I've given them my 03# every year already. It's not a secret. Don't check "collector" and they won't even ask for it.