WTK: Can a CA resident w/C&R receive C&R long guns direct?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Okay, so I may offer C&R long guns direct to CA C&R holders even if they're NOT 50 years old..?

Mike

If you are going to ship a C&R long gun to a California C&R FFL then it has to be at least 50 years old.

If you are going to sell a C&R long gun to a California C&R FFL in your shop then it just has to be C&R.

This thread has gotten pretty long, so maybe a recap is in order.

Firearms you can ship directly to a C&R FFL in California

- C&R long guns that are at least 50 years old

Firearms you can sell to California C&R FFL at your shop in Arizona

- C&R long guns of any age
- C&R handguns of any age

Firearms you can sell to an unlicensed California resident at your shop in Arizona

- C&R long guns that are at least 50 years old

Firearms you can ship to a California FFL Dealer for transfer to a California customer

- long guns
- handguns on the California Roster of Approved Handguns
- C&R handguns of any age
- certain (most) single action revolvers
- certain single shot pistols

Anything you ship into California needs to comply with our assault weapon and high capacity magazine laws.

Anything you sell to an unlicensed California resident at your shop needs to comply with our assault weapon law.

Anything you sell to a C&R FFL at your shop in Arizona is exempt from our assault weapon law, but the buyer will need to make it compliant with our assault weapon law before bringing it back to California.

It is legal to sell high capacity magazines to California residents at your shop in Arizona, but the buyer can't bring them back into California as complete, functioning magazines.

And thank you for even trying to figure out our laws and help us out. Like you said, most out of state dealers don't bother, understandably.

J&G Sales in Prescott is another gun shop that is very friendly to California C&R FFL's. It would be great to add your shop to the list of CA-friendly Arizona FFL's. It would make our C&R gun buying road trips much more effecient and productive.

[Zwingli]

I almost cringe to add anything else. Perfectly summed up in above post. But just to clarify my comment about the SKS thing:

You can sell any SKS to California as long as it doesn't have a detachable Mag or gernade launcher, through an 01

ALSO you can ship any SKS that meets the above requirements and is also 50years or more older and ship it straight to the door of a C&R holder. (thats how I got mine).

Nothing I said has any bearing on someone who is at your store, that is summed up above.

Many FFLs is California are making a "killing" on the OLL thing because they are willing to pay the price to gather additional information (just read through this forum) The additional transaction cost for you is time spent reading--how much is that time worth to you? At the other end the pay off is access to the largest and wealthiest market in the country. Look at the Sales that DD's ranch gets from CA and they're in NY of all places.

If you've read through the forum any you know the battle here is often with rumors and intimidation--thank you for those comments of support. Usually out of state people say to Cali--you made your bed now live in it. However, those same kind of tactics of initimdation can work in any other state in the nation--there's nothing from stopping somebody filling some federal civil rights law suit against you in AZ because you sell a gun to a 19 year old AZ resident who turns out to be a maniac but wasn't old enough to have a record, they may not win but you'd go under in the process.

The largest law suit by California against a FFL out of state (that I know of, so don't yell if I'm wrong) was against Southern Ohio Gun. The case documents are on the net. It was intended by California to be an example case and an intimidation case--sadly it seems to have worked if what you say is corret about others in AZ.

Good luck and hope you do well. Hope all the info from everyone has helped.

[prebans]

Thank you for both of those clarifications. One last question, though-- does CA recognize pre-1898 guns as non-guns or should I treat their sale into CA as I would a post-1898 firearm?

Zwingli, while I recognize I can be sued for anything in any state, I would be lying if I told you I am more worried about a CA jury than an AZ jury. I fully admit that it'd finally end on appeals, but it'd better to have more confidence out of the gate. There is definitely a fear among FFLs in dealing with CA; the first FFL I helped out (long before I ever got my own) had a standing policy of NO CA sales for ANYTHING- even scope covers- for fear of litigation. I argued that he shouldn't worry over small things (ie scope covers), ammo, <10 round mags, or any rifle that wasn't a semiauto-- and that he could do semi items after some research. Nope- no chance in hell. Since that time I've found a hair over a dozen FFLs/shops from here to my hometown in WI that have a ZERO sale policy- we're also talking that they won't even RECEIVE a firearm directly from CA including importers like EMF. There are scores more with "relaxed" policies- receiving is fine, no GUN sales (or just no handgun sales) to CA but some accessories ok, etc. Frankly, I was told twice today by two different dealer friends that I'm a %$#@! fool for selling anything that goes bang into CA.

That's why I'm asking many, many questions before offering up stuff.

Mike

[Mssr. Eleganté]

One last question, though-- does CA recognize pre-1898 guns as non-guns or should I treat their sale into CA as I would a post-1898 firearm?

California treats pre-1899 guns as non-guns as long as they are unloaded. I know that there is an 18 year age limit for antique handguns, but I'm not sure about antique long guns. But shipping unloaded antique handguns and long guns would for sure be legal if the recipients are over 18 years old.

[EOD Guy]

The CA DOJ follows the BATFE C&R list. The 50 year old rule only applies to private party transfers in CA.

CAB

That is true but all firearms other than C&R rifles and shotguns over 50 years old have to be transferred through a dealer. California does not exempt C&R FFL holders in the state from that requirement.

[Zwingli]

CA is still a state in the USA covered by the Second Amendment of the Constitution. A climate of fear only serves to nullify the Second Amendment through a lack of supply.

Oh I wasn't disagreeing with you. Just thanking you for your comment and I think everyone here thanks you for your comments and questions

And wasn't in the least talking about you but in general people who might think they're safe but in the long run may in fact be contributing to a climate of fear. I know one has to balance their own security and lively hood but sometimes it seems in California it can be pointless to win some victories when nobody will believe you and in effect your friends become your worst enemies.