Why not CMP?

[SkyHawk]

The action sites have got better at electronically fingerprinting the buyers and sellers devices they use for interaction.

Yeah, but not Gunbroker. They are still 1990s web tech. I see the very same scammers listing guns for sale that they don't actually have just trying to get payments, and they eventually get banned but just keep coming back with new accounts using the same photos and text. It is the lowest hanging fruit but Gunbroker cannot or does not stop it.

And I have never heard of a subpoena being issued to track down a shill bidder.

[capt14k]

Gunbroker has never been a good determination of value. Larry Eisel relists a lot. Not because he uses shills but because drunkards don't pay. GunsRC is running some sort of money laundering scam. That is the only thing I can come up with why his shill bids everything so high.

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[kcheung2]

I have 2 examples. Around 2015, Dupage was selling Garands for about $80 above CMP prices, and it was just the regular FFL buying process & they shipped quickly. The stocks were new replacement wood but I was fine with that. That was an easy choice for me, in retrospect I should have bought more. Especially considering this was right after Sandy Hook & things were scarce & expensive.

Recently I picked up another one from a private seller, the cash price was $1500. But I did a partial trade of about $700 cash + a bunch of primers. I bought those primers when they were cheap so my cost wasn't very much, and likewise the seller got his Garand from CMP so his cost wasn't very much. Overall it was a good deal for both of us.

Admittedly these aren't typical examples, but there are circumstances where the secondary market makes sense. I plan on getting my CMP paperwork lined up eventually but with 2 already I'm not in a hurry.

And someone pointed out that the LGS prices on Garands are pretty high too. If someone didn't know about the CMP and saw a $1600 Garand on the shelf they would think it's normal. And realistically with 1903s going for $1000, it's not far fetched to price Garands about the same as a M1A which is similar but without the historical background. It's just that CMP prices are artificially low.

[Danodog]

I ordered a bastard CMP .308 Special made from refurbished parts and new wood. I paid $1100 for it. Please tell me where I can buy a new semi-automatic rifle for that price. It is my only Garand that I own. I am glad to have bought a few years ago. It was a bucket list item for me. I actually enjoyed the process that CMP used. The wait, and the hype was worth it.

[ptmn]

I've purchased from CMP for 30 years now, NEVER sold any gun I purchased from them and I've purchased a lot of them. I follow their intent about not purchasing for the specific intent of flipping for resale profit. That being said, if others are selling CMP purchased guns for higher than purchased and you don't like that, it's real easy, don't buy from them and do your own CMP purchase.

I purchased my first CMP Garands back when they were $200...for the OP, I guess I'm a price gouger, since I wouldn't sell them for $200. If I was to sell off my collection due to health, age, unexpected financial crisis, I would be asking for anywhere from $1100 on up depending on the condition of the Garand.

If you haven't ordered from CMP often, I have news for you, not every gun you purchase is going to be a gem. Some are worth a lot more than you pay, some are a fair value and some(not often) are lemons that are worth less than you pay, despite the fact I've only purchased Service Grade or higher condition.

I'm not defending gougers, but they risked their money on a crap shoot purchasing from CMP sight unseen. On top of that crap shoot, they spent DROS fee, dealer transfer fee, sales tax, shipping, notary public fee, CMP club affiliation fee and shooting match fee(travel, ammo, match registration). That $750 Garand they purchased from CMP can easily cost them more than $1100. So I don't think after going through a whole process and wait that it's unreasonable to sell that rifle for quite a bit more than $750. After all, the new purchaser is not shelling out time and money on a crap shoot, they get to see what they are purchasing without going through process and tying up money for months.

Gougers get gouging prices because people pay those prices. If you dont like that, then don't purchase from them and convince everyone else not to purchase from them. If people dont pay exorbitant rates, then a gouger doesn't get to gouge. At the same time, you need to come to reality on what gouging really is. If I bought a $750 Garand from CMP, there's no way I would sell it for anything less than $1100 for a CMP lemon, and I would not consider that gouging if that is the CURRENT out of pocket cost, even if it was one I bought for $200 back in the days.. If it was a CMP gem, I can guarantee I would be selling for more than $100 over what current out of pocket is. My time, effort, crap shoot and tying up my own capitol for a CMP purchase is worth $100 or more and anybody that doesn't can go through the entire CMP process themselves to avoid gouging.

[McGuiver]

Why not CMP?

Yeah, but not Gunbroker. They are still 1990s web tech. I see the very same scammers listing guns for sale that they don't actually have just trying to get payments, and they eventually get banned but just keep coming back with new accounts using the same photos and text. It is the lowest hanging fruit but Gunbroker cannot or does not stop it.

And I have never heard of a subpoena being issued to track down a shill bidder.

[microwaveguy]

If you look at the initial cost of a C&R license and a COE vs what the transfer / DROS fee and 10 day wait to me it is worth having the C&R and COE. The C&R license is the most expensive $35 that you will ever pay. You would have to join a club in either of the above cases so that is a wash along with the initial notary fee. Now you would save on the FSC fee if you needed one of those. Then pay the state the $19 fee to register what you received.

Now it does take time and planning to get all the ducks in a row. Some people just want it NOW and will pay the premium or want to hold what they are buying. I understand both of those desires and there are those that will fill that need / want.

[19K]

I don’t think I’ve ever sold any gun for less than I paid for it.

[Spyder]

I have. And I was dumb for doing it. 😄

[Garandimal]

Ha!

[Garandimal]

Ordering from the CMP is like a box of chocolates...

GR

[Garandimal]

Not anti freedom. Buy all the Garands you want through others channels and flip away. The purpose of CMP selling Garands that my parents and Grandparents paid for is to promote shooting sports, flipping them doesn't seem to meet that mission statement.

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Kind of an antiquated view, reminiscent of the DCM, and the early days of the CMP.

Used to be that the paperwork you signed stated that you wouldn't sell it.

Also had to produce a DD-214, shoot in matches, or have an LEO/range officer sign off on the requisite 20? hrs. of range time.


The CMP - is now in the Country Club business.

The firearms safety card you get after takin' the 20? question test at your FFL, so that you are able to purchase a firearm in the Soviet Province, now satisfies the CMP shooting requirement.

As far as the CMP is concerned... the sooner the M1 rifles are gone - the sooner they can shut down an expensive, labor intensive drain on their endowment, and commensurate salaries.


Orest once stated that the CMP sold far and away more M1 rifles to citizens in the Soviet Province of Commiefornia, than All the rest of the Country combined.

Notice their Educational presence there...

GR

[Garandimal]

Sayonara (goodbye forever), CMP Service Grade M1 Rifles...




GR

[wilsonm]

[Hesco]